Sportshoopla Top 25 Week 13

[Guzlightyear]

1. Oklahoma - 484 (11)
2. Wisconsin - 474 (6)
3. Clemson - 464 (3)
4. Auburn - 434
5. Georgia - 407
6. Alabama - 405
7. Miami - 364
8. Ohio State - 348
9. UCF - 346
10. Penn State - 322
11. TCU - 295
12. USC - 294
13. Washington - 253
14. Stanford - 216
15. Notre Dame - 204
16. Memphis - 199
17. Oklahoma State - 178
18. LSU - 140
19. Michigan State - 139
20. Northwestern - 111
21. Virginia Tech - 99
22. Washington State - 92
23. USF - 61
24. San Diego State - 37
25. Boise State - 22

Others receiving votes: Toledo (20), Mississippi State (17), Michigan (12), NC State (8), FAU (6), Fresno State (6), Kansas State (6), Troy (6), South Carolina (5), Iowa (4), James Madison (2), Louisville (1), Missouri (1), Oregon (1)

Highest/Lowest Rank
1. Oklahoma 1/7
2. Wisconsin 1/6
3. Clemson 1/6
4. Auburn 2/9
5. Georgia 3/9
6. Alabama 3/8
7. Miami 6/17
8. Ohio State 5/16
9. UCF 2/13
10. Penn State 8/13
11. TCU 8/17
12. USC 9/15
13. Washington 10/17
14. Stanford 10/21
15. Notre Dame 10/NR
16. Memphis 7/24
17. Oklahoma State 13/NR
18. LSU 14/NR
19. Michigan State 13/NR
20. Northwestern 16/24
21. Virginia Tech 17/24
22. Washington State 16/NR
23. USF 14/NR
24. San Diego State 18/NR
25. Boise State 19/NR
Toledo 19/NR
Mississippi State 21/NR
Michigan 22/NR
NC State 23/NR
FAU 21/NR
Fresno State 21/NR
Kansas State 22/NR
Troy 20/NR
South Carolina 21/NR
Iowa 22/NR
James Madison 24/NR
Louisville 25/NR
Missouri 25/NR
Oregon 25/NR

@Edisto_Tiger
@Across The Field - You ranked Northwestern #16 & #19 so I dropped the lower one.
@SteelersPride - You ranked Northwestern #20 & #25 so I dropped the lower one.
@ericd7633 - You had two #12s and ranked 26 total teams. I moved your second 12, and all following it down one position, then dropped your listed #25.

 

[Guzlightyear]

@dennis580 you also didn't have a #17.

 

[SteelersPride]

whoops lol thanks

 

[dennis580]

@dennis580 you also didn't have a #17.

Wow you are right there was a extra spot for me to put Troy in. I actually struggled between South Florida, and Troy for #25 because Troy has the high quality road win against LSU didn't even realise I had room for both of them.

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

1. Oklahoma - 484 (11)
2. Wisconsin - 474 (6)
3. Clemson - 464 (3)
4. Auburn - 434
5. Georgia - 407
6. Alabama - 405
7. Miami - 364
8. Ohio State - 348
9. UCF - 346
10. Penn State - 322
11. TCU - 295
12. USC - 294
13. Washington - 253
14. Stanford - 216
15. Notre Dame - 204
16. Memphis - 199
17. Oklahoma State - 178
18. LSU - 140
19. Michigan State - 139
20. Northwestern - 111
21. Virginia Tech - 99
22. Washington State - 92
23. USF - 61
24. San Diego State - 37
25. Boise State - 22

Others receiving votes: Toledo (20), Mississippi State (17), Michigan (12), NC State (8), FAU (6), Fresno State (6), Kansas State (6), Troy (6), South Carolina (5), Iowa (4), James Madison (2), Louisville (1), Missouri (1), Oregon (1)

Highest/Lowest Rank
1. Oklahoma 1/7
2. Wisconsin 1/6
3. Clemson 1/6
4. Auburn 2/9
5. Georgia 3/9
6. Alabama 3/8
7. Miami 6/17
8. Ohio State 5/16
9. UCF 2/13
10. Penn State 8/13
11. TCU 8/17
12. USC 9/15
13. Washington 10/17
14. Stanford 10/21
15. Notre Dame 10/NR
16. Memphis 7/24
17. Oklahoma State 13/NR
18. LSU 14/NR
19. Michigan State 13/NR
20. Northwestern 16/24
21. Virginia Tech 17/24
22. Washington State 16/NR
23. USF 14/NR
24. San Diego State 18/NR
25. Boise State 19/NR
Toledo 19/NR
Mississippi State 21/NR
Michigan 22/NR
NC State 23/NR
FAU 21/NR
Fresno State 21/NR
Kansas State 22/NR
Troy 20/NR
South Carolina 21/NR
Iowa 22/NR
James Madison 24/NR
Louisville 25/NR
Missouri 25/NR
Oregon 25/NR

@Edisto_Tiger
@Across The Field - You ranked Northwestern #16 & #19 so I dropped the lower one.
@SteelersPride - You ranked Northwestern #20 & #25 so I dropped the lower one.
@ericd7633 - You had two #12s and ranked 26 total teams. I moved your second 12, and all following it down one position, then dropped your listed #25.

Northwestern is just that good that they needed to be ranked twice in multiple ballots

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

UCF's lowest rank in this poll is 13th, the committee has them 14th??

There's one blatant agenda with the committee and it's that they don't wan't the group of 5 getting any of their pot of gold

 

[tnapucco]

UCF's lowest rank in this poll is 13th, the committee has them 14th??

There's one blatant agenda with the committee and it's that they don't wan't the group of 5 getting any of their pot of gold

It's a sad comment on the coverage of amateur athletics. $$$ rules the game now. If you don't bring enough eyeballs or "buzz", they have no use for you.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

UCF's lowest rank in this poll is 13th, the committee has them 14th??

There's one blatant agenda with the committee and it's that they don't wan't the group of 5 getting any of their pot of gold

If we're going to have a committee, you need EQUAL presentation for all conferences. My suggestion is 11 members. Each conference commissioner appoints one person. For the Indie conference, you simply have the ADs from BYU, Notre Dame, Army, and UMass come together and appoint someone.

The make-up of THIS committee leans heavily toward the power conferences.

Pac-12 - Tyrone Willingham, Rob Mullens, Tom Jernstedt
ACC- Dan Radakovich, Frank Beamer, and Bobby Johnson
Big-10 - Gene Smith
SEC - Steve Wieberg, Jeff Long, Bobby Johnson
Big-12 - Kirby Hocutt

MW - Christopher Howard
Sun Belt - Jeff Bower
Mac - Herb Deromedi

There are ZERO American Conference and Conference USA members.

10/13 members are associated with the power conferences

This wasn't an accident, the committee is made up of P5 members because they want to FAVOR the power conferences. That's where the money is.

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

If we're going to have a committee, you need EQUAL presentation for all conferences. My suggestion is 11 members. Each conference commissioner appoints one person. For the Indie conference, you simply have the ADs from BYU, Notre Dame, Army, and UMass come together and appoint someone.

The make-up of THIS committee leans heavily toward the power conferences.

Pac-12 - Tyrone Willingham, Rob Mullens, Tom Jernstedt
ACC- Dan Radakovich, Frank Beamer, and Bobby Johnson
Big-10 - Gene Smith
SEC - Steve Wieberg, Jeff Long, Bobby Johnson
Big-12 - Kirby Hocutt

MW - Christopher Howard
Sun Belt - Jeff Bower
Mac - Herb Deromedi

There are ZERO American Conference and Conference USA members.

10/13 members are associated with the power conferences

This wasn't an accident, the committee is made up of P5 members because they want to FAVOR the power conferences. That's where the money is.

Exactly right now they're not equally represented

you think these power conference guys want to see the programs they're from or work for lose recruits to teams like UCF, Houston, Boise State, South Florida, etc??

no?

You know for a fact Hocutt hates seeing the receivers Houston has when Tech needs those receivers for their offense

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

It's a sad comment on the coverage of amateur athletics. $$$ rules the game now. If you don't bring enough eyeballs or "buzz", they have no use for you.

It is, and it's ruining the sport

this sport has so many beautiful things and this is similar to a big ugly woman blocking your vision from several hot ones

 

[dennis580]

If we're going to have a committee, you need EQUAL presentation for all conferences. My suggestion is 11 members. Each conference commissioner appoints one person. For the Indie conference, you simply have the ADs from BYU, Notre Dame, Army, and UMass come together and appoint someone.

The make-up of THIS committee leans heavily toward the power conferences.

Yea I agree with this. Power 5 Conferences have a permanent spot on the committee for there AD's while the Group of 5 conferences have never even had a single one of there AD's on the committee. Kinda of surprised the Group of 5 don't sue.

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

Yea I agree with this. Power 5 Conferences have a permanent spot on the committee for there AD's while the Group of 5 conferences have never even had a single one of there AD's on the committee. Kinda of surprised the Group of 5 don't sue.

Hopefully they will after this fiasco

 

[dennis580]

nm

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

Exactly right now they're not equally represented

you think these power conference guys want to see the programs they're from or work for lose recruits to teams like UCF, Houston, Boise State, South Florida, etc??

no?

You know for a fact Hocutt hates seeing the receivers Houston has when Tech needs those receivers for their offense

Conceptually, committees are a great idea. You gather together people from a variety of backgrounds and beliefs. You make the group as small as possible, therefore, everybody can freely express their views in full detail rather than sound bites. You review all the data and eventually come to a consensus view. It's basically a jury type of deal.

But the problem with committees is that people like to cook the books. For example, lets just say a committee was formed in Washington D.C to review our health-care/tax system, and the committee is made up of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats. That would be an invalid committee because you want it to be bipartisan and have biases cancelled each other out.

For this selection committee to actually work, they need it be more balanced. The reason why Boise State, Houston, and Western Michigan were ranked outside the top 10 is because the committee wants to prop up the top 6 ranked teams. Ever notice how they define SOS based on "top 25 wins" rather than averaging together opponents winning% and opponents of opponents winning%, like the computers do? That's because they want to define what a quality win is and what is not. Alabama was ranked #5 and just so happens, they put in Miss State and Fresno State into the top 25. Why do that? Well, because it helps out Bama's case for making it in if either Oklahoma or Wisky lose.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

Yea I agree with this. Power 5 Conferences have a permanent spot on the committee for there AD's while the Group of 5 conferences have never even had a single one of there AD's on the committee. Kinda of surprised the Group of 5 don't sue.

Actually they have, and lost sadly. FBS has ever right, under the current rules, to format their system as they want.

When this college football playoff got started, everybody wanted at least one thing. The G5 programs wanted better access to BCS Bowl games, so they agreed that the highest ranked G5 program gets an automatic spot in a New Years Bowl. Other conferences wanted a committee, so they got that.

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

Conceptually, committees are a great idea. You gather together people from a variety of backgrounds and beliefs. You make the group as small as possible, therefore, everybody can freely express their views in full detail rather than sound bites. You review all the data and eventually come to a consensus view. It's basically a jury type of deal.

But the problem with committees is that people like to cook the books. For example, lets just say a committee was formed in Washington D.C to review our health-care/tax system, and the committee is made up of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats. That would be an invalid committee because you want it to be bipartisan and have biases cancelled each other out.

For this selection committee to actually work, they need it be more balanced. The reason why Boise State, Houston, and Western Michigan were ranked outside the top 10 is because the committee wants to prop up the top 6 ranked teams. Ever notice how they define SOS based on "top 25 wins" rather than averaging together opponents winning% and opponents of opponents winning%, like the computers do? That's because they want to define what a quality win is and what is not. Alabama was ranked #5 and just so happens, they put in Miss State and Fresno State into the top 25. Why do that? Well, because it helps out Bama's case for making it in if either Oklahoma or Wisky lose.

Exactly they basically have complete control of the criteria to make it in

it's not about the best teams anymore but who the committee wants in

 

[dennis580]

keep making my post sin the wrong thread