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Hit-n-Run
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I think Homer has 3 years and a $25M mutual option for 2020. Hard to imagine the Reds will be picking up that option.
Phillips is in his last year at $14M and Mesoraco $13M in 2018.
IMO, Votto is the only current longterm deal that will be on the books when this team is ready to seriously contend for more than a second wildcard slot. I don't see the Reds returning to a 2010 type competitiveness until around 2020, so that renders a large portion of the current 25 man roster irrelevant if that is indeed the correct time frame.
Comparing the Reds situation to other teams is sometimes an apple to oranges comparison. For instance, the Indians were buyers ending with a higher payroll at seasons end. The Reds were sellers ending lower. By seasons end the difference was probably around 15%.
The Indians have 11 arbitration eligible players, the Reds only 4. The Indians are potentially facing the same problem that led to the Pirates decline this past season.
The Reds 4 arbitration eligible players this season: Cozart, Billy Hamilton, Tony Cingrani, Blake Wood. If all are retained you're talking about a minimal increase in payroll of $6M. Three of those names probably won't be around come 2018 and one or more might not be here come 2017 OD.
The biggest thing I read that seems to be misunderstood is the Reds payroll. The percentage of available revenue the Reds are going to spend hasn't changed. The MLB payroll isn't reflective of what the Reds current spending strategy is. Fans see the Reds posted MLB payroll and assume the team is losing cheaper. That's simply not true. The Reds are spending the same, but the allocation of the spending has changed. The most obvious example being talent acquisition. In 2015 the Reds spent around $10M in the rule 4 draft and International signings. In 2016 that number has grown to over $30M.
Phillips is in his last year at $14M and Mesoraco $13M in 2018.
IMO, Votto is the only current longterm deal that will be on the books when this team is ready to seriously contend for more than a second wildcard slot. I don't see the Reds returning to a 2010 type competitiveness until around 2020, so that renders a large portion of the current 25 man roster irrelevant if that is indeed the correct time frame.
Comparing the Reds situation to other teams is sometimes an apple to oranges comparison. For instance, the Indians were buyers ending with a higher payroll at seasons end. The Reds were sellers ending lower. By seasons end the difference was probably around 15%.
The Indians have 11 arbitration eligible players, the Reds only 4. The Indians are potentially facing the same problem that led to the Pirates decline this past season.
The Reds 4 arbitration eligible players this season: Cozart, Billy Hamilton, Tony Cingrani, Blake Wood. If all are retained you're talking about a minimal increase in payroll of $6M. Three of those names probably won't be around come 2018 and one or more might not be here come 2017 OD.
The biggest thing I read that seems to be misunderstood is the Reds payroll. The percentage of available revenue the Reds are going to spend hasn't changed. The MLB payroll isn't reflective of what the Reds current spending strategy is. Fans see the Reds posted MLB payroll and assume the team is losing cheaper. That's simply not true. The Reds are spending the same, but the allocation of the spending has changed. The most obvious example being talent acquisition. In 2015 the Reds spent around $10M in the rule 4 draft and International signings. In 2016 that number has grown to over $30M.