Kershaw should be the leading NL Cy Young candidate

[Villain]

Not Greinke.

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[da55bums]

no he shouldn't. Grienke has been consistant all season, but nice problem to have

 

[navamind]

Greinke's a great pitcher. But there's little (if any) reason whatsoever to believe he can sustain a 1.61 ERA, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kershaw finished with a lower ERA at the end of the season. Kershaw's just been ridiculous the last ~3 months.

 

[navamind]

Greinke's starting to put together a decent HOF case. Career 122 ERA+, 45+ WAR.

 

[romeo212000]

Greinke disagrees.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

But there's little (if any) reason whatsoever to believe he can sustain a 1.61 ERA, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kershaw finished with a lower ERA at the end of the season.

It isn't like Greinke put up a 1.61 in 4 or 5 starts. He is 26 starts into the season. He only has 6 or 7 starts left. Kershaw will have a very tough time trying to catch Greinke in the ERA department.

While I could see an argument for either to win the Cy Young. Greinke has been more consistent and is having an absolutely absurd year. 1.61 ERA is ridiculous, especially after how dominating Kershaw has been over the last couple years and his ERA has never finished that low.

 

[broncosmitty]

Other than Ks, I'm not sure how Kershaw is a better candidate. 6 innings isn't enough of a difference to sway voters.

Projecting ZG to dip over the last month is one thing, but right now, he's clearly ahead of his teammate, imo.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Kershaw is having the best 2nd half of his career so far, he'll make a strong case by the end.

I won't complain if either one of them gets it.

 

[calsnowskier]

As of right now, top 3 has to be...

1) Greinke
2) Arietta
3) Kershaw

Still a month left, though, so anything can happen.

 

[bksballer89]

Not Greinke.

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You're on crack dude

 

[navamind]

You're on crack dude

Maybe he is, but that doesn't make the stats he posted any less viable. Pitchers don't entirely have control over their ERA.

 

[Bolts]

I'd say Jake Arrieta still has a chance, and not just because he no hit Kershaw and Greinke's team.

 

[thedddd]

As of right now, top 3 has to be...

1) Greinke
2) Arietta
3) Kershaw

Still a month left, though, so anything can happen.

Made a very good case for himself tonight.

 

[Villain]

You're on crack dude

No I'm not. Look at all the other stats besides ERA and W/L. Better yet, set the benchmark for any time after April. Kershaw crushes Grienke in pretty much every category. Grienke has benefited from better baBIP luck and less HRs. Kershaw gave up an abnormal flurry of HR early on. That stopped (and went back towards career averages). His numbers have trending into the unattainable elite ever since.

Kershaw and Greinke are both regressing back to the mean. Kershaw's mean is way better than any other pitcher in the game. Grienke's is also really good, but not as good as Kershaw's because no one's is.

ERA is not as good as most people think it is.

 

[rmilia1]

As great as Kershaw has been since the end of April there hasn't been a better pitcher in baseball since May than Jake Arrieta.

 

[Villain]

Kershaw has the lowest batted-ball velocity in MLB: Baseball Savant: Your Source For Advanced MLB Statistics

What else is he good at?

K% - 1st
BB% - 6th (Arrieta 9th, Greinke 14th)
K-BB% - 1st (Arrieta 9th, Greinke 14th)
Total Strikeouts - 1st
Total Innings - 1st (6 more IP than Arrieta, same amount of games started)
CG - T-1st (4, same as Arrieta, Buerle, Bumgarner, and Kluber)
ShO - T-1st (3, same as Arrieta)
SIERA - 1st (Arrieta is 6th, Greinke is 14th)
ERA - 3rd (Grienke 1st, Arrieta 2nd - but you knew that one already)
FIP - 1st (Arrieta 2nd, Grienke 6th)

 

[Villain]

Here's a leaderboard of the three NL Cy Young leaders:

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Feel free to play around with the start/end dates and all that jazz.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Kershaw has the lowest batted-ball velocity in MLB: Baseball Savant: Your Source For Advanced MLB Statistics

What else is he good at?

K% - 1st
BB% - 6th (Arrieta 9th, Greinke 14th)
K-BB% - 1st (Arrieta 9th, Greinke 14th)
Total Strikeouts - 1st
Total Innings - 1st (6 more IP than Arrieta, same amount of games started)
CG - T-1st (4, same as Arrieta, Buerle, Bumgarner, and Kluber)
ShO - T-1st (3, same as Arrieta)
SIERA - 1st (Arrieta is 6th, Greinke is 14th)
ERA - 3rd (Grienke 1st, Arrieta 2nd - but you knew that one already)
FIP - 1st (Arrieta 2nd, Grienke 6th)

But Arrieta should get it because he has 20 wins.

 

[Villain]

Arrieta should get lots and lots of votes. Just not enough to win.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Its amazing that we have 3 NL pitchers that all deserve it... Unfortunately only one can win... I think it is greinke who has the best numbers... But i can see any defense for the other 2...