Joe Flacco - elite, 2nd tier, or bottom feeder?

[Rock Strongo]

is he "elite" (relative term). Lets say, in the pantheon of brady and rodgers, maybe brees, luck, roethlisberger...

is he "2nd tier" - your matthew stafford, matt ryan, philip rivers, russel wilson, eli manning...

or

is he a bottom feeder? mark sanchez, jay cutler, kapernick, geno smith, cam newton, etc


note: you may disagree with whos on what tier i listed above. just vote...

 

[Rock Strongo]

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[night]

He's average. Not great but not terrible.

 

[Rock Strongo]

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[Cincyfan78]

He's been good. He got white hot in the playoffs and rode that to a SB, and that shouldn't be discounted. He got it done, which is more than a lot of QB's can say. Hell, Dalton can't even get a win in the post-season.

But, if you just stack up his career numbers to other QB's over the same span...

 

[ATL96Steeler]

He's average. Not great but not terrible.

idk night...his playoff record imo is too good to say average...yes, his teams have been good, but Matt's had some good teams too....fwiw..I think Matt is a better QB.

Joe is a strange QB to rate because he can look terrible one week with 3-4 picks, and the next week 325 yds/3tds.

What makes him above average imo is his point is pretty high (post season play)and it offsets his lack of consistent great play during the regular season.

 

[Tgann69]

Flacco fun facts


Flacco’s 82 total wins (including playoffs) are the most by an NFL starting QB since 2008, when he entered the league
• Flacco’s 72 regular season victories from 2008-14 are the most by a QB in the first seven seasons of a career
• Flacco’s 10 career playoff victories rank as the most among starting QBs since 2008 (Tom Brady is next with seven)
• Flacco has seven career road wins in the playoffs, ranking as the most by a QB in league history (Eli Manning is next with five)
• Is the only starting QB in NFL history (since the 1970 merger) to win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons (2008-12)
• Tied Tom Brady for the most playoff victories (9) in a QB’s first five seasons (2008-12)
• Leading Baltimore to the Super Bowl XLVII title in 2012, Flacco became the second QB in NFL postseason history (Joe Montana - 1989) to throw 11 TDs and 0 INTs
• Is the Ravens’ all-time leading passer in yards (25,531), TD passes (148), completions (2,213) and attempts (3,657)…Ranks second in completion percentage (60.5)
• Flacco has never missed a game, with his 127 NFL starts (including playoffs) ranking as the most to begin a career by a QB in NFL history
• Owns the Ravens’ franchise record for 300-yard passing games (21)
• Flacco has 21 career game-winning drives (19 regular season and 2 playoff) in the fourth quarter or overtime
• Set the Ravens’ single-season record for completion percentage (63.1) in 2009 and QB rating (93.6) in 2010
• Became the fastest player in NFL history to throw 5 TDs (16:03 into the game) in the 48-17 victory at TB (10/12/14)...Finished the game 21-of-28 (75%) for 306 yards, 5 TDs (tying a team record) and 0 INTs to produce a franchise-record 149.7 QB rating
• Flacco has thrown at least 2 TDs in eight-straight playoff games, marking the longest streak in NFL postseason history
• Flacco has 25 career postseason TD passes, the most in a player’s first seven seasons in NFL playoff history
• Flacco’s streak of 197 passes without throwing an interception in the postseason (from 1/22/12 to 1/10/15) is the second-longest streak in NFL playoff history (Drew Brees, 226)
• In the Ravens’ last 10 playoff games (since the 2010 season), Flacco is 196-of-327 for 2,563 yards, 24 TDs and 4 INTs (104.1 rating)…The Ravens are 7-3 in these contests
• In Baltimore’s last six playoff games (5-1 record), Flacco has thrown 17 TDs and 2 INTs...Completing 119 of 200 passes for 1,691 yards, he owns a stellar 111.1 QB rating
• Became the first rookie QB in NFL history to win two playoff games in the 2008 Divisional Playoff win at Ten.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Flacco fun facts


Flacco’s 82 total wins (including playoffs) are the most by an NFL starting QB since 2008, when he entered the league
• Flacco’s 72 regular season victories from 2008-14 are the most by a QB in the first seven seasons of a career
• Flacco’s 10 career playoff victories rank as the most among starting QBs since 2008 (Tom Brady is next with seven)
• Flacco has seven career road wins in the playoffs, ranking as the most by a QB in league history (Eli Manning is next with five)
• Is the only starting QB in NFL history (since the 1970 merger) to win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons (2008-12)
• Tied Tom Brady for the most playoff victories (9) in a QB’s first five seasons (2008-12)
• Leading Baltimore to the Super Bowl XLVII title in 2012, Flacco became the second QB in NFL postseason history (Joe Montana - 1989) to throw 11 TDs and 0 INTs
• Is the Ravens’ all-time leading passer in yards (25,531), TD passes (148), completions (2,213) and attempts (3,657)…Ranks second in completion percentage (60.5)
• Flacco has never missed a game, with his 127 NFL starts (including playoffs) ranking as the most to begin a career by a QB in NFL history
• Owns the Ravens’ franchise record for 300-yard passing games (21)
• Flacco has 21 career game-winning drives (19 regular season and 2 playoff) in the fourth quarter or overtime
• Set the Ravens’ single-season record for completion percentage (63.1) in 2009 and QB rating (93.6) in 2010
• Became the fastest player in NFL history to throw 5 TDs (16:03 into the game) in the 48-17 victory at TB (10/12/14)...Finished the game 21-of-28 (75%) for 306 yards, 5 TDs (tying a team record) and 0 INTs to produce a franchise-record 149.7 QB rating
• Flacco has thrown at least 2 TDs in eight-straight playoff games, marking the longest streak in NFL postseason history
• Flacco has 25 career postseason TD passes, the most in a player’s first seven seasons in NFL playoff history
• Flacco’s streak of 197 passes without throwing an interception in the postseason (from 1/22/12 to 1/10/15) is the second-longest streak in NFL playoff history (Drew Brees, 226)
• In the Ravens’ last 10 playoff games (since the 2010 season), Flacco is 196-of-327 for 2,563 yards, 24 TDs and 4 INTs (104.1 rating)…The Ravens are 7-3 in these contests
• In Baltimore’s last six playoff games (5-1 record), Flacco has thrown 17 TDs and 2 INTs...Completing 119 of 200 passes for 1,691 yards, he owns a stellar 111.1 QB rating
• Became the first rookie QB in NFL history to win two playoff games in the 2008 Divisional Playoff win at Ten.

yup, 2nd tier

 

[Rock Strongo]

idk night...his playoff record imo is too good to say average...yes, his teams have been good, but Matt's had some good teams too....fwiw..I think Matt is a better QB.

Joe is a strange QB to rate because he can look terrible one week with 3-4 picks, and the next week 325 yds/3tds.

What makes him above average imo is his point is pretty high (post season play)and it offsets his lack of consistent great play during the regular season.

he throws probably the prettiest deep ball in the game.

 

[Rock Strongo]

i always love these:

• Flacco’s 10 career playoff victories rank as the most among starting QBs since 2008 (Tom Brady is next with seven)

since 2008...you know, the season brady kinda missed.

 

[Uhsplit]

People get caught up in "elite" status.
I think Flacco is very good and he record speaks for itself.

 

[night]

idk night...his playoff record imo is too good to say average...yes, his teams have been good, but Matt's had some good teams too....fwiw..I think Matt is a better QB.

Joe is a strange QB to rate because he can look terrible one week with 3-4 picks, and the next week 325 yds/3tds.

What makes him above average imo is his point is pretty high (post season play)and it offsets his lack of consistent great play during the regular season.

I'm not taking Ryan into consideration at all since it's not about him. Flacco just isn't very accurate and has only had 2 seasons above a 90 QB rating. Using "his" playoff appearances or wins is more about how great of an organization the Ravens have been than it is simply about Flacco. I like consistency and the only thing he is consistent about is being inconsistent.

he throws probably the prettiest deep ball in the game.

The only other QB in the league who fishes for PI calls on deep balls as much as Flacco is Eli.

 

[Dude]

People get caught up in "elite" status.
I think Flacco is very good and he record speaks for itself.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. The word "elite" is completely overrated.

 

[tedman2012]

he throws probably the prettiest deep ball in the game.

oh yes as a pats fan you don't see many of those . wobble wobble anything over 10 yards

 

[Rock Strongo]

Wholeheartedly agree with this. The word "elite" is completely overrated.

to me, a 95+ rating puts you in elite status

thats just to me

 

[Tgann69]

i always love these:

• Flacco’s 10 career playoff victories rank as the most among starting QBs since 2008 (Tom Brady is next with seven)

since 2008...you know, the season brady kinda missed.

Also the season Flacco came into the league.

always making excuses for the cheater. lol

 

[ATL96Steeler]

i always love these:

• Flacco’s 10 career playoff victories rank as the most among starting QBs since 2008 (Tom Brady is next with seven)

since 2008...you know, the season brady kinda missed.

Well, but even if TB had 11 let's say...Flacco being legitimately being mentioned in the same conversation on a career achievement is pretty strong.

The ongoing debate because they came from the same draft is Flacco vs Ryan...it's close, but having seen a lot of both QBs...imo Matt is a better, more consistent QB game in game out...but he hasn't played as well in the big games.

 

[Dude]

to me, a 95+ rating puts you in elite status

thats just to me

Yep, I understand that and it's a fair indicator. It's the word elite I have a problem with, it sucks.

 

[Tgann69]

oh yes as a pats fan you don't see many of those . wobble wobble anything over 10 yards

10 yards? thats his long Brady's ball. lol

more like "0" yds to a wr taking a step back...wobble wobble wobble...

 

[Tgann69]

Well, but even if TB had 11 let's say...Flacco being legitimately being mentioned in the same conversation on a career achievement is pretty strong.

The ongoing debate because they came from the same draft is Flacco vs Ryan...it's close, but having seen a lot of both QBs...imo Matt is a better, more consistent QB game in game out...but he hasn't played as well in the big games.

bingo.