Has Lebron passed Kobe on the all time list?

[Battlelyon]

but yes, he's not even close to making the top 5.

Lebron rejects that claim

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

if at this point you dont have LeBron in your top 5 overall its hard to take your opinion as credible. Its just how it is at this point.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Lebron rejects that claim

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Thoughts?

I THINK LeBron smells like an Akron wastewater plant

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I know it's hard for you to imagine not everyone has a tattoo of lebron on their ballsack like you guys do, but yes, he's not even close to making the top 5.

Don't get emotional on me now - I know you fanboys start throwing things at your computer screen when someone doesn't immediately compliment lebron.

I honestly dislike basketball. I'm not a fan of Lebron, so what you say about him does not bother me. It's just that when I see the posters that I perceive as knowledgeable all lining up on one side of a discussion, and someone else is far in the other direction, I expect to see that person get dry fucked.

So, pepper yer angus, dude.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I honestly dislike basketball.

That must explain why you're on a basketball forum then...

 

[ChrisWebber]

The list is:
1. Chris Webber

the rest don't matter.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

That must explain why you're on a basketball forum then...

That's a stupid fucking explanation, dude.

Boredom would be a much more intelligent (and accurate) explanation.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

That's a stupid fucking explanation, dude.

Boredom would be a much more intelligent (and accurate) explanation.

Then you need to get out more.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Then you need to get out more.

I'm at the office.

 

[jon2tanman]

I wouldn't put Kobe in my top 10. However with that being said I feel Kareem is the goat, and that isn't the norm.

 

[gordontrue]

LeBron has more MVPS, more Finals MVPs, higher scoring average, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, more blocks, better fg%, better 3pt%.

Kobe has the edge in FT% and Titles.

 

[tlance]

I think that over the next 30 years, the "all time great list" has potential to change a lot.

If current trends in play continue to shift the game toward guard domination, at some point it may start to shape the way dominant centers in previous eras are viewed compared to those guards.

I believe that guard play has taken over for good and that future big men who figure in the all time great conversations will be skilled bigs in the mold of Davis and Townes. It is possible that in the future, dominant centers from the past may not be esteemed as highly as they are today.

 

[tlance]

Yes. Lebron passed Kobe a long time ago.

Still not close to top 5 though.

If Kobe is top 10, and LeBron has passed him, how exactly is he not close to the top 5?

Seriously though, name another player in the history of the league that has been the consensus best in the game for 7 years or more?

There are only 2 I can think of: MJ and LeBron.

You might be able to make a case for Kareem in the early 70s. Before that? Mikan?

Point is LeBron is a once in a generational talent. If he isn't in your top 5, then I suggest you reevaluate.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If Kobe is top 10, and LeBron has passed him, how exactly is he not close to the top 5?

Seriously though, name another player in the history of the league that has been the consensus best in the game for 7 years or more?

There are only 2 I can think of: MJ and LeBron.

You might be able to make a case for Kareem in the early 70s. Before that? Mikan?

Point is LeBron is a once in a generational talent. If he isn't in your top 5, then I suggest you reevaluate.

Oh ok, so i'm not allowed to have an opinion now? I mean, I know the cavs fans gargle his balls but damn dude, what's your excuse?

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Bird

Is that not acceptable, your highness?

 

[gordontrue]

Oh ok, so i'm not allowed to have an opinion now? I mean, I know the cavs fans gargle his balls but damn dude, what's your excuse?

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Bird

Is that not acceptable, your highness?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

You're a lebron fan first, cavs fan second - I get you. But three years ago 99% of the cavs fans wouldn't even rate him in the top 10.

 

[tlance]

Oh ok, so i'm not allowed to have an opinion now? I mean, I know the cavs fans gargle his balls but damn dude, what's your excuse?

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Bird

Is that not acceptable, your highness?

I don't have an excuse.

I am objective, and I have only seen one player in my lifetime of watching basketball who I rank ahead of LeBron.

You have always been a LeBron hater. Just own it and recognize that perhaps your opinion isn't very objective. It isn't just Cavs fans saying he is top 5 you know. It is nearly universally accepted at this point. To say he isn't even close is naive at best.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I don't have an excuse.

I am objective, and I have only seen one player in my lifetime of watching basketball who I rank ahead of LeBron.

You have always been a LeBron hater. Just own it and recognize that perhaps your opinion isn't very objective. It isn't just Cavs fans saying he is top 5 you know. It is nearly universally accepted at this point. To say he isn't even close is naive at best.

I posted my top 5. Almost everyone has a different variation to their top 5.

In my opinion lebron is nowhere near the players mentioned in my top 5 - those who do, haven't seen the other player play.

 

[tlance]

I posted my top 5. Almost everyone has a different variation to their top 5.

In my opinion lebron is nowhere near the players mentioned in my top 5 - those who do, haven't seen the other player play.

I have. All but Wilt thanks.

Again, to say LeBron is "nowhere near Bird" is ignorant. I get that some want to rank Bird ahead. Not many, but some. You can't say he isn't close. It is much easier to make the other case that Bird isn't close to LeBron.

LeBron has more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more all NBA first team, 5-0 all defense first team, LBJ won a scoring title, Bird never did.

Their stats are fairly comparable otherwise, but keep in mind that pace of play in the 80s was a lot faster than it has been throughout LeBron's career.

Again, if you say LeBron is not close to Bird, I do not know what objective facts you can claim for your side. Other than your perception of Bird vs. a player you clearly don't like, I do not think you have anything to hang your hat on.