Composite Top 25 per computer rankings 2/3

[rmilia1]

Using Pomeroy, Sagarin, RPI, BPI and Massey. Ranking top 30 teams in each and awarding 30 pts for 1st, 29 for 2nd etc. Combined rankings are as follows

1. Arizona 149
2. Syracuse 138
3. Kansas 130
4. Florida 126
5. Villanova 122
6. Creighton 121
7. Duke 120
8. Michigan State 118
9t. Iowa 103
9t. Wichita State 103
11. Iowa State 100
12. Kentucky 87
13. Michigan 84
14. Virginia 81
15. Wisconsin 76
16. Louisville 72
17. Ohio State 66
18t. SDSU 64
18t. Pitt 64
20. Oklahoma St 63
21. UCLA 58
22. Cincinnati 57
23. St Louis 34
24. Gonzaga 30
25. UMass 28

Just misses: Oklahoma 24, Texas 18, VCU 16, UConn 12, Arizona St 9, Tennessee 8, SMU 4, Memphis 4

 

[jonvi]

Syracuse still has some work to do to convince the computers they are leading the nation.

I would imagine with games @ Duke, Pitt and Virginia...with Clemson and NC State thrown in for good measure ought to make or break the boys.

 

[MI Nightmare]

Computers still loving Kansas. That team could lose by 20 to Baylor, get "stunned" by WVU on Saturday, and still pull an index rating of 10 or better on Sunday...

 

[rmilia1]

Using Pomeroy, Sagarin, RPI, BPI and Massey. Ranking top 30 teams in each and awarding 30 pts for 1st, 29 for 2nd etc. Combined rankings are as follows

1. Arizona 149 - Difference in the human polls of -1.5
2. Syracuse 138 - Difference of +1
3. Kansas 130 - Difference of -5.5
4. Florida 126 - Difference of +.5
5. Villanova 122 - Difference of -1
6. Creighton 121 - Difference of -6
7. Duke 120 - Difference of -4
8. Michigan State 118 - Difference of -.5
9t. Iowa 103 - Difference of -5.5
9t. Wichita State 103 - Difference of +6
11. Iowa State 100 - Difference of -5.5
12. Kentucky 87 - Difference of -4
13. Michigan 84 - Difference of 0
14. Virginia 81 - Difference of -6.5
15. Wisconsin 76 - Difference of -10
16. Louisville 72 - Difference of +4
17. Ohio State 66 - Difference of -9
18t. SDSU 64 - Difference of +13
18t. Pitt 64 - Difference of -5.5
20. Oklahoma St 63 - Difference of +1
21. UCLA 58 - Difference of -10.5
22. Cincinnati 57 - Difference of +15
23. St Louis 34 - Difference of +9
24. Gonzaga 30 - Difference of +2.5
25. UMass 28 - Difference of - 1

Just misses: Oklahoma 24, Texas 18, VCU 16, UConn 12, Arizona St 9, Tennessee 8, SMU 4, Memphis 4

This means the 3 most OVERRATED teams are Cincinnati, San Diego State and St Louis. 3 most underrated are UCLA, Wisconsin and Ohio State ( at least according to computer ranking vs human polls )

 

[gordontrue]

This means the 3 most OVERRATED teams are Cincinnati, San Diego State and St Louis. 3 most underrated are UCLA, Wisconsin and Ohio State ( at least according to computer ranking vs human polls )

Interesting stuff. People always talk about how humans can see things computers can't, which is certainly true... but the opposite is also true.

No human can come close to processing every second of every game played in the entire country. But computers can.

 

[MI Nightmare]

This means the 3 most OVERRATED teams are Cincinnati, San Diego State and St Louis. 3 most underrated are UCLA, Wisconsin and Ohio State ( at least according to computer ranking vs human polls )

Perhaps there's a middle ground, but I like the human polls better when referencing those six teams.

Average in the poll rankings?

 

[MI Nightmare]

Michigan at #13 looks to be spot on.

 

[MI Nightmare]

Ultimately though I think the human polls will carry more weight but the computers are a great reference for the selection committee:


Among the resources available to the committee are complete box scores, game summaries and notes, pertinent information submitted on a team's behalf by its conference, various computer rankings, injury reports, head-to-head results, chronological results, Division I results, non-conference results, home, away and neutral results, rankings, polls and the NABC regional advisory committee rankings.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

This means the 3 most OVERRATED teams are Cincinnati, San Diego State and St Louis. 3 most underrated are UCLA, Wisconsin and Ohio State ( at least according to computer ranking vs human polls )

This is the ironic thing.

based on these computer rankings the teams you mentioned are the most "underrated" but just off of watching the games I think those 3 are actually among the most overrated teams in the nation.

I think you could even argue that Cincy and St Louis are underrated as well even though these polls imply the opposite.

 

[rmilia1]

This is the ironic thing.

based on these computer rankings the teams you mentioned are the most "underrated" but just off of watching the games I think those 3 are actually among the most overrated teams in the nation.

I think you could even argue that Cincy and St Louis are underrated as well even though these polls imply the opposite.

Hey no argument from me there. I think inherently we are prone to value teams that are playing well recently even if its against competition that is less than stellar ( ie SDSU and SLU ) while we tend to jump off the bandwagon of teams that lose 3 or 4 of 5 or whatever even if they have played really solid competition ( take a team like Iowa State that lost to Oklahoma, TExas and Kansas 2 of those on the road and fell 10 spots in the polls as an example ).

 

[HizzleRocker]

I would say Texas is a leader in underrated. From 15th (which many think is still too low), to unranked. Meanwhile the team that we just beat, and have a better record than - is ranked 3rd.

 

[rmilia1]

I would say Texas is a leader in underrated. From 15th (which many think is still too low), to unranked. Meanwhile the team that we just beat, and have a better record than - is ranked 3rd.

Actually for the premise of this thread that would mean Texas is overrated by 12.... But I do agree more with the humans on Texas than I do with the humans on most other teams. I wouldnt have Texas 15th but they certainly are a top 18/19/20 type team IMO.

 

[rmilia1]

Im thinking about incorporating the human polls into this composite rankings next week but dont know if I should. Any thoughts from the 7-10 people that are interested in these types of threads??

 

[gordontrue]

Im thinking about incorporating the human polls into this composite rankings next week but dont know if I should. Any thoughts from the 7-10 people that are interested in these types of threads??

I kind of like what you did this last time where its just the computer composite, but then next to each team you can see how it differs from the human rankings

 

[dcZONAfan]

i like the incorporation of the human polls as well

 

[MI Nightmare]

Im thinking about incorporating the human polls into this composite rankings next week but dont know if I should. Any thoughts from the 7-10 people that are interested in these types of threads??

Yea, why not. The polls give us some human insight.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Im thinking about incorporating the human polls into this composite rankings next week but dont know if I should. Any thoughts from the 7-10 people that are interested in these types of threads??

I vote no. I've voiced my reasoning previously and won't rehash it all again here, but understand I'll almost certainly be in the minority on that, so carry on gents.

 

[CatsTopPac]

I like the polls, as long as it furthers my team looking good. Once that doesn't happen to my team's advantage, then please discontinue the polls. Once my team is at the ranking where I want them, then--and only then--may you reinstitute the polls into your data.

Thank you,

John 01992

 

[CatsTopPac]

Honestly, I think you should keep them in.