Big Game Jon

[gp956]

Agreed, he demonstrated that all he knows about baseball (more accurately thinks he knows,) is that native spanish speaking players are better than white players. The dumbfuck said that Jiminez should beat Halladay for the cy young, Bautista should beat Hamilton for mvp, and that Howard, Cargo, Pujols, and A-gone are all ahead of Votto for NL mvp.

He also bitched about the lineup today because we can't win without Jose Guillen and Pablo Sandoval. Panda doesn't get to third on the same ball Fontenot hit (and probably doesn't hit it either,) also Fontenot and Ross showed off that they have much better range than Guillen or Panda. I see no reason to start anybody else in their place the rest of the postseason barring injury.

Tito is either completely full of shit and the most elaborate white racist troll pretending to be a Latino racist, AND he's just about the dumbest fuck you'll ever meet.

True, and he's a hater of other's opinions.

 

[nateistheshi]

True, and he's a hater of other's opinions.

I like the way you left out the word either to show that he's both hahaha. He also is a hater of any number with a decimal in it. When he gets cornered on a stupid argument, like the Ross vs. Guillen for example, then he decides to make his opinion the be-all end-all of the argument.

you can make stats say aythnthing you wnat but this is baseball. ther e r no stats in baseball. Jose gives me the best chance to win so hes the best. JA!!!

Of course the polar opposite of this is argument is:
Numbers don't lie, but you do. A 34 year old with a slow bat and bad knees will fuck the team over when there's a much better alternative.

 

[gp956]

I like the way you left out the word either to show that he's both hahaha. He also is a hater of any number with a decimal in it. When he gets cornered on a stupid argument, like the Ross vs. Guillen for example, then he decides to make his opinion the be-all end-all of the argument.

you can make stats say aythnthing you wnat but this is baseball. ther e r no stats in baseball. Jose gives me the best chance to win so hes the best. JA!!!

Of course the polar opposite of this is argument is:
Numbers don't lie, but you do. A 34 year old with a slow bat and bad knees will fuck the team over when there's a much better alternative.

This is probably before your time on the other board, but Tito used to try to justify his opinions with stats. He always relied on small sample sizes, or just flat out misinterpreted his stats. After he got trashed multiple times he just stopped using them. I can't stress enough that this guy is a total and complete douche-bag.

But it's also true that pure stats can't tell the whole story, there's only so much they can show and they can seriously mislead, either by those to ignorant to know better, or those with an agenda. But people who think stats aren't used everyday in professional baseball just don't know what they are talking about.

For example, even at lowers levels, you might not have an official book on someone, but you take a mental accounting of what pitches/location a guy can't handle - initially based on the guy's swing/stature - but eventually filled in with actual data. Taken to an extreme, anti-stat guys would think that so long as the data stays in your head it's perfectly valid, but the minute you write it down it's "stats," and ceases to be relevant to real baseball.

 

[nateistheshi]

This is probably before your time on the other board, but Tito used to try to justify his opinions with stats. He always relied on small sample sizes, or just flat out misinterpreted his stats. After he got trashed multiple times he just stopped using them. I can't stress enough that this guy is a total and complete douche-bag.

But it's also true that pure stats can't tell the whole story, there's only so much they can show and they can seriously mislead, either by those to ignorant to know better, or those with an agenda. But people who think stats aren't used everyday in professional baseball just don't know what they are talking about.

For example, even at lowers levels, you might not have an official book on someone, but you take a mental accounting of what pitches/location a guy can't handle - initially based on the guy's swing/stature - but eventually filled in with actual data. Taken to an extreme, anti-stat guys would think that so long as the data stays in your head it's perfectly valid, but the minute you write it down it's "stats," and ceases to be relevant to real baseball.

All excellent points GP. Statistics in the right hands will tell you what happened, what is happening, and the most likely events to happen in the future. The best element of this game though is that even with all of the technology and numbers we have, it's still unpredictable. Statistics are a phenomenal tool to back up one's judgements and opinions, so those who like to "go with their gut," typically don't like stats because they don't like to be proven wrong.

 

[gp956]

All excellent points GP. Statistics in the right hands will tell you what happened, what is happening, and the most likely events to happen in the future. The best element of this game though is that even with all of the technology and numbers we have, it's still unpredictable. Statistics are a phenomenal tool to back up one's judgements and opinions, so those who like to "go with their gut," typically don't like stats because they don't like to be proven wrong.

The biggest problem with stats you see published is they don't entirely capture the decisions that can make the difference in the outcome of an event (operating within some given level of player ability) . They don't scale down to the point where the game is actually played. Thus there is danger in extrapolating past outcomes to future outcomes beyond what can be entirely assigned to variations in chance, i.e. a systematic bias due to misspecification. This is where splits try to close the information gap. And any systematic decision that influences outcomes should, theoretically, eventually be covered by a split. But we're not there yet.