Allow me to be positive for a minute...

[Deano]

I like all the changes so far.

I really like Lurie. The guy writes checks and get out of the way. You could criticized him for taking S big chance on Chip but at least he had the balls to do it. I think he learned from it. Everything about the guy has been classy and smart, including knowing when to pull the plug on Chip.

I like the new DC. Solid NFL resume. Was with Kiko in his big rookie year.

I like the OC. He was a really good backup QB for a long time and led the SD passing game. His rushing game sucked but he had no decent RBs.

I especially like the coaching staff. I love that they kept Duce, Stoutland, and Fipps. The new hires all seem to have solid experience.

Which brings me to Pederson. Ok, not a flashy guy at all, but he does seem genuine in every way. The player endorsements of him have been remarkable.

Finally, look at our division. It sucks. Maybe a little conventional football, without hurry up and dazzle dazzle is just what we need. We have solid RBs and TEs. Work on the OL and maybe WR. The defense gets Hicks back and brought in talent last year. I think Schwatz fixes that.

I'm good so far. Now get rid of Bradford.

 

[Taz]

While I agree that so far the changes have looked pretty good, a couple of things. Schwartz did not coach Kiko his rookie year. He was going to coach him his 2nd year but alas Kiko did what Kiko does he got hurt. I think that Lurie used to take a back seat I think he almost is too involved now.

 

[deerpathdave]

1. Lurie seems to have morphed into Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones. He has fired two coaches in the last three years, and has reportedly taken to giving rah rah speeches in the locker room prior to games. Both the coaches, BTW got new jobs within two weeks and Reid has followed it up with two 11-5 seasons. This doesn't reek of good decision making and getting out of the way.

2. The new DC does look solid, but I don't believe he ever worked with Kiko. I like his record of success, but he has been fired two years in a row and was hired after a year of unemployment. Its a re-tread hire.

3. Pretty much Ditto for Frank Reich without the success. He is now working for his 4th team in the last 5 years and none of the moves was a promotion.

4. Yeah, Chip hired some good guys in Stoutland and Fipps and retaining them is probably good. It will be interesting to see if they will stay when their contracts expire? This year they have no choice.

5. Yeah Pederson is genuine, but also pretty much a tactical idiot. He proved that with his explanation of the strategy they employed in the KC-Pats game.

6. When the best you can hope for is that your division sucks, so mediocrity may be good enough your hoping beyond hope.

7. Keeping Bradford may be the one good thing they could do, but if he is smart he will skip town for Houston or San Fran.

 

[Iggloo]

Great post OP. I agree with much of it.

Lurie is a good owner. He may be too deferential to Howie/Banner types, but he is not meddlesome and contrary to his reputation, he spends money on players. He just hasn't found the right coach.

Pederson is an uninspiring hire. But he did retain most of Chip's best assistants and rounded out his staff with some good additions, notably a real defensive coordinator.

The division is a real wildcard. Dallas may bounce back, or Romo may get hurt again and the team will sink into the gutter. The Giants are not very talented after some bad drafting IMO, especially on defense, and Eli is getting older. The Redskins ironically suddenly look like they have the brightest future, but it all depends on whether Cousins continues to play well or is a Nick Foles flash in the pan type.

Lastly, I wholeheartedly support getting rid of Bradford. He is simply not worth the money. However, getting rid of him likely means at least two years of losing. I am not sure fans and/or the front office is really willing to do that. I expect Bradford back for at least a year.

 

[old duke]

Dave, you are out of your mind! I used to like some of your posts, but you're way off!
For the record, although I wanted Gase, and wanted them to interview Jackson and McDermott, I can see why they wanted Pederson. Doug will be the CEO type Head coach, and let his coordinators do their respective jobs. The assistants he kept aren't going anywhere. They want to be here. Doug is a solid citizen, and not a flake like Chip.

 

[mklugs]

1. Lurie seems to have morphed into Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones. He has fired two coaches in the last three years, and has reportedly taken to giving rah rah speeches in the locker room prior to games. Both the coaches, BTW got new jobs within two weeks and Reid has followed it up with two 11-5 seasons. This doesn't reek of good decision making and getting out of the way.

Both Coaches deserved to be fired and were unlikely to find success here at the time they were fired. ​

2. The new DC does look solid, but I don't believe he ever worked with Kiko. I like his record of success, but he has been fired two years in a row and was hired after a year of unemployment. Its a re-tread hire.

Schwartz's defense was a wrecking crew in Buffalo in 2014. He wasn't fired... the head coach was fired and then they hired Rex Ryan, who has much different ideas about what a defense should look like. Schwartz is a tested and proven DC. He will get them to play with great effort and physicality. They may give up a few big plays here and there, but they will get pressure and create a lot of turnovers and sacks.​

3. Pretty much Ditto for Frank Reich without the success. He is now working for his 4th team in the last 5 years and none of the moves was a promotion.

Not a big fan of Reich as OC either.​

4. Yeah, Chip hired some good guys in Stoutland and Fipps and retaining them is probably good. It will be interesting to see if they will stay when their contracts expire? This year they have no choice.

Was good to keep those guys and Undlin too.​

5. Yeah Pederson is genuine, but also pretty much a tactical idiot. He proved that with his explanation of the strategy they employed in the KC-Pats game.

May be that he was taking a bullet for Andy, the coach who gave him his start in the NFL as a coach as well as helped him get his first head coaching job. But I expect time management will be an issue for him. However, we should have a much slower overall pace that will give the defense more rest and help cut down on turnovers.​

6. When the best you can hope for is that your division sucks, so mediocrity may be good enough your hoping beyond hope.

Yes this notion of "maybe we can get by even though we kinda stink" is no good. but getting back to a more conventional play style should be healthy for the franchise​

7. Keeping Bradford may be the one good thing they could do, but if he is smart he will skip town for Houston or San Fran.

We'll be much better off keeping Bradford if we can, he doesn't seem super excited to return. guess we'll see what happens.​

 

[deerpathdave]

Dave, you are out of your mind! I used to like some of your posts, but you're way off!
For the record, although I wanted Gase, and wanted them to interview Jackson and McDermott, I can see why they wanted Pederson. Doug will be the CEO type Head coach, and let his coordinators do their respective jobs. The assistants he kept aren't going anywhere. They want to be here. Doug is a solid citizen, and not a flake like Chip.

You guys are kidding yourself. We all know that Pederson was at best a 3rd choice, and its a huge rationalization that Pederson will be a "CEO type" Head coach. Your trying to justify his lack of tactical skills by saying he has managerial or strategic sort of skills. We have no reason to believe he has either. We also have no idea if the retained assistants want to be here. They were hired by Chip and are under contract, so they had no choice in the matter. Only the Eagles did.

That "flake" received one of the most resounding endorsements I have ever read from Lurie only four months ago, and quickly found himself another job with the same pay and two more years security in less than two weeks. The trashing of Chip simply doesn't ring true.

 

[deerpathdave]

I think we only really disagree on the Chip firing. I think the trashing of Chip was overblown and he could have been successful moving forward. For both Reid and Kelly, the issues were as much in the staffs they put together as anything else. I think Billy Davis was a poor hire and virtually every move Reid made on defense after JJ was a mistake. It was probably good for both Chip and Andy that they got a new start as its an opportunity to totally re-assess your staff from the ground up and it makes it easier to correct some of your mistakes.

 

[Birds4life81]

As long as we have a good draft and don't sign Bradford longterm, I'm good. I'm very happy with the supporting cast around Pederson. Howie scares me, but I'm even willing to give that weasel a chance.

 

[old duke]

I think we only really disagree on the Chip firing. I think the trashing of Chip was overblown and he could have been successful moving forward. For both Reid and Kelly, the issues were as much in the staffs they put together as anything else. I think Billy Davis was a poor hire and virtually every move Reid made on defense after JJ was a mistake. It was probably good for both Chip and Andy that they got a new start as its an opportunity to totally re-assess your staff from the ground up and it makes it easier to correct some of your mistakes.

So after he got rid of the 3 playmakers we had, you think he would be successful going forward? How many other good players that were not his disciples would he have gotten rid of? No thanks!

 

[Screamin Eagle]

Howie is still here and Lurie still believes in him.....that's the scary part.

AS for the current staff; I am not on the Pederson train, he hasn't proven anything, is too closely aligned with Reid and the feeling is he is here because others declined or were not interviewed.
Reich is a career nobody but I think he could fare well with the talent around him unless he is handcuffed by Pederson. Schwartz could be the missing link for the D provided he keeps his cool. DiFilippo will be a HC in the future so I view him strongly. Fipp is already proven but neither Lewis or Duce have proven anything to IMO perhaps with better leadership they can. Bradford doesn't want to be here IMO, wants too much money and isn't a Philly type player so he can leave the problem is who will replace him? Who is our QB of the future?
Drafting and free agency will give us a better take on where this team is headed.

 

[deerpathdave]

So after he got rid of the 3 playmakers we had, you think he would be successful going forward? How many other good players that were not his disciples would he have gotten rid of? No thanks!

I think its a bad plan to give a guy total control and then pull the plug after only one season. Chip was in the middle of a fairly big makeover with a new QB. You could already see substantial improvements in the QB play and if it wasn't for injury issues with Jason Peters and the continued mediocre defense from Billy Davis I think they would have had a winning season. Fire Billy Davis, Go forward with a 2nd year of Bradord in the same system and I think they would have won the division in Year 2. As it is, Bradford has no reason to come back and we have all new systems on both sides of the ball. I think everyone agrees that 6 wins is optimistic now. Its a huge step back one way or another.

 

[eaglesnut]

DiFilippo will be a HC in the future so I view him strongly.

Which is exactly the same as Pederson. Only difference is one guy played qb in the nfl and the other guy played a couple years at Radnor high school. LOL

 

[eaglesnut]

Fire Billy Davis

And hire who? Mike Vrabel? Haha, sorry, but he said "fuck you, chip, I'd rather have a lower paying job working for someone else than coach a defense for a team you head coach." Good plan. Then what?

 

[Wings]

The fact that Deerpathdave hates this coaching staff tells me that it was a great move by Lurie! Championship!

 

[deerpathdave]

The fact that Deerpathdave hates this coaching staff tells me that it was a great move by Lurie! Championship!

Surely you have more to base your hope on then the anti opinion of some anonymous internet poster? Please tell me you have more...

 

[ctc]

1. Lurie seems to have morphed into Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones. He has fired two coaches in the last three years, and has reportedly taken to giving rah rah speeches in the locker room prior to games. Both the coaches, BTW got new jobs within two weeks and Reid has followed it up with two 11-5 seasons. This doesn't reek of good decision making and getting out of the way.

2. The new DC does look solid, but I don't believe he ever worked with Kiko. I like his record of success, but he has been fired two years in a row and was hired after a year of unemployment. Its a re-tread hire.

3. Pretty much Ditto for Frank Reich without the success. He is now working for his 4th team in the last 5 years and none of the moves was a promotion.

4. Yeah, Chip hired some good guys in Stoutland and Fipps and retaining them is probably good. It will be interesting to see if they will stay when their contracts expire? This year they have no choice.

5. Yeah Pederson is genuine, but also pretty much a tactical idiot. He proved that with his explanation of the strategy they employed in the KC-Pats game.

6. When the best you can hope for is that your division sucks, so mediocrity may be good enough your hoping beyond hope.

7. Keeping Bradford may be the one good thing they could do, but if he is smart he will skip town for Houston or San Fran.

The pathology seems to be growing.

 

[deerpathdave]

The pathology seems to be growing.

Gotta say I am a little surprised at the shoot the messenger sort of responses I am getting here. Remember I am a 27 year Eagles fan that has posted on here or kffl for probably the last ten years. I think it was only a year ago that I was fielding questions somewhat seriously from people thinking I was Dave Spadaro.

So clearly, I am not some flamer just looking to rile up Eagles fans. I am simply speaking the cold hard truth as I see and I find it as difficult to stomach as the rest of you. So my condolences to all of you. I share your pain....and your desire to grasp on to misplaced optimistic thoughts. But sorry I can't do it. I know a pile of Horsesheep when I see it and can't pretend it is anything but.

 

[WIZ]

I'm older and wiser than you and see a stable coach and a great DC. The OC is also a fine choice. The assistants to them are former players that can relate to the players and coaches. Can it fail? Of course. Will it fail? I highly doubt it if they can get a QB. This has a better chance to succeed than any other option that was available.

 

[Wings]

Gotta say I am a little surprised at the shoot the messenger sort of responses I am getting here. Remember I am a 27 year Eagles fan that has posted on here or kffl for probably the last ten years. I think it was only a year ago that I was fielding questions somewhat seriously from people thinking I was Dave Spadaro.

So clearly, I am not some flamer just looking to rile up Eagles fans. I am simply speaking the cold hard truth as I see and I find it as difficult to stomach as the rest of you. So my condolences to all of you. I share your pain....and your desire to grasp on to misplaced optimistic thoughts. But sorry I can't do it. I know a pile of Horsesheep when I see it and can't pretend it is anything but.

Dave Spadaro is a jackass....seems fitting.