Game Thread: #9 Duke @ #21 Carolina | 8:00 | ESPN | ACC Network/Raycom

[The Derski]

Is Duval really pronounced the way Shulman is saying it?

 

[Hitman Hart]

Dumb shot by Williams. Duke took way too long to score just 2 points.

 

[bksballer89]

For a senior, Allen makes some very immature decisions

 

[Hitman Hart]

Ballgame. Good win by UNC

 

[The Derski]

Grayson Allen went full retard. Throws away the ball, pouts, jogs back on the floor and doesn’t foul.

 

[bksballer89]

This team won't make it past the opening weekend of the tourney.

Need to go back to building teams instead of starting over every year due to all the 1 and done recruits

 

[douggie]

K had three 7-footers on the floor at the same time and was out-rebounded by 7

 

[douggie]

Is Duval really pronounced the way Shulman is saying it?

Doo-Vow, or as I Like to caII him, "dumbass"

 

[ericd7633]

This team won't make it past the opening weekend of the tourney.

Need to go back to building teams instead of starting over every year due to all the 1 and done recruits

I think going exclusively 1 and done, isn't the way to win it all. Not all 5 star recruits are created equal. Kentucky is feeling that right now. Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are simply on another level than any freshman on this Kentucky team. Bagley, who is amazing, simply isn't on Anthony Davis' level. If you have a down cycle and rely heavily on freshman, you aren't going to be elite(top 6) IMO. Just take a look at the top 20 in the recent rankings. Only Duke is the only team that relies mostly on Freshman. The top 8 teams in the rankings don't rely on Freshman all that much. You can argue the most that does is Texas Tech, surprisingly(at least out of the top 8).

 

[douggie]

I think going exclusively 1 and done, isn't the way to win it all. Not all 5 star recruits are created equal. Kentucky is feeling that right now. Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are simply on another level than any freshman on this Kentucky team. Bagley, who is amazing, simply isn't on Anthony Davis' level. If you have a down cycle and rely heavily on freshman, you aren't going to be elite(top 6) IMO. Just take a look at the top 20 in the recent rankings. Only Duke is the only team that relies mostly on Freshman. The top 8 teams in the rankings don't rely on Freshman all that much. You can argue the most that does is Texas Tech, surprisingly(at least out of the top 8).

MB3 is supposed to be in high school right now too

 

[ericd7633]

MB3 is supposed to be in high school right now too

That's true. He's an awesome talent, but he just doesn't have the overall effect on a game like Davis did at Kentucky, mostly because Davis was so good defensively.

 

[Hitman Hart]

Duke defensive rankings on kenpom by year:


2002: #1
2003: #15
2004: #3
2005: #2
2006: #16
2007: #6
2008: #7
2009: #28
2010: #5
2011: #9
2012: #79
2013: #26
2014: #86
2015: #11
2016: #86
2017: #47
2018: #70

2011 was the Kyrie Irving year, which started the OAD era of Duke basketball. Of course, Irving played like 8 games that year. 2012 was the Austin Rivers year. 2013 didn't have a OAD, and was probably the last Duke team that had a heavy reliance on upper classmen. 2014 was the Jabari Parker year. 2015 was the national title year with 3 OAD's. 2016 was the Brandon Ingram year. 2017 had two OAD's plus Kennard.

 

[bksballer89]

Duke defensive rankings on kenpom by year:


2002: #1
2003: #15
2004: #3
2005: #2
2006: #16
2007: #6
2008: #7
2009: #28
2010: #5
2011: #9
2012: #79
2013: #26
2014: #86
2015: #11
2016: #86
2017: #47
2018: #70

2011 was the Kyrie Irving year, which started the OAD era of Duke basketball. Of course, Irving played like 8 games that year. 2012 was the Austin Rivers year. 2013 didn't have a OAD, and was probably the last Duke team that had a heavy reliance on upper classmen. 2014 was the Jabari Parker year. 2015 was the national title year with 3 OAD's. 2016 was the Brandon Ingram year. 2017 had two OAD's plus Kennard.

Question is when they'll stop this crap?

 

[Hitman Hart]

Question is when they'll stop this crap?

Don't think it'll stop until the rule changes or K retires. He turns 71 in a few days.

 

[Wishbone]

Coach K was dumb to stay with that big line up so long. First time I've watched Duke all year and Bagley isn't anywhere near as good as Trae Young.

 

[bksballer89]

Coach K was dumb to stay with that big line up so long. First time I've watched Duke all year and Bagley isn't anywhere near as good as Trae Young.

Different positions.....Different players

 

[bksballer89]

Comparing a PG to a PF is so stupid lol.

 

[douggie]

Duke goes as DuvaI goes and right now he is bad;

We say this aII the time; coIIege basketball is a PG driven sport- you simpIy cannot win without good PG pIay:

I Look back at the Michigan State game where Grayson had 37 points and that game was Duval's BEST game because he was a facilitator for AIIen and BagIey, getting assists and putting Duke in position to score! But since then he's been out of control, committing turnovers trying to be a scorer which he just isn't, going too fast and not pIaying under control, not being a PG stopper on the defensive end, stopping the baII on fast breaks, or causing the opponents to turn the baII over, getting into foul trouble, not making the extra pass or just making bad decisions, etc

He's amazingIy quick, a great passer when he wants to be, has a great vertical Leap and can dunk it over most PG's, can handle the baII, gets to the rim, etc, etc, BUT-

UntiI he turns it around Duke cannot turn it around

 

[douggie]

Then there's this:

He was tweeting out his massive dunk replay immediateIy after the game!

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Stewpit Dewk!