50 Year NBA Salary Draft 3rd Place : UK vs WLK

[Nosferatu]

UK

1st & 3rd
PG - Kevin Johnson - $3
SG - George Gervin - $12
SF - Peja Stojakovic - $3
PF - Zach Randolph - $2
C - Walt Bellamy - $4

2nd & 4th
PG - Tony Parker - $6
SG - Chris Mullin -$5
SF - Bernard King - $4
PF - Chris Webber - $5
C - Hakeem Olajuwon - $17

VS

WLK

1st & 3rd
PG - Penny Hardaway - $4
SG - Dale Ellis - $1
SF - Alex English - $8
PF - Shawn Kemp - $6
C - Mehmet Okur - $1

2nd & 4th
PG - Terry Porter - $2
SG - Michael Jordan - $39
SF - Shane Battier - $1
PF - Dennis Rodman - $2
C - Pau Gasol - $6

 

[Nosferatu]

UK - 5
WLK - 2

VOTED - WLK, UK, Ritz, Sushi, Milk, Meebs, Shane

 

[wlk3]

Me

 

[UK Cowboy]

UK

 

[Ritzarmy]

U.K.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Like i said in the last vote Mehmet Okur is my brother from another mother... we were in swim class together...

I got WLK

 

[CitySushi]

I got U.K. In this one. Great teams guys.

 

[Mebert]

Uk

 

[Shanemansj13]

UK

 

[femurov]

Uk

 

[wlk3]

Chris Mullins stops Jordan ftw... I meant this write up to be in the matchup vs Nos but fuckit...

Terry Porter - career - 12.2ppg 5.6apg .386 3pt% (5year 88-93) 17.7ppg 7.5apg .395 3pt%
MJ
Shane Battier - career - 8.6ppg .384 3pt% (5year 02-07) 9.7ppg .397 3pt%
Rodman - career - 7.3ppg 13.1rpg (5year 91-96) 7ppg 17.3rpg
Pau - career - 18ppg 9.5rpg 3.3apg (5year 05-10) 19.4ppg 9.6rpg 3.7apg 1.6blks

I brought up those numbers simply to show that in the triangle Battier and Porter would be able to fit right in... Porter would play more of a Pippen type role as opposed to the corner sitting style of most of the PGs MJ played with while the spot will be reserved for Battier... that's his spot... the other 3 players won multiple rings in said system and this is just the second argument because the first question is, who in the hell is going to stop MJ...? Only options are Bernard King, Chris Mullins, or Tony Parker... that's absolutely ridiculous... even if I concede 1&3 which I don't, there is no bigger mismatch in the entire mock than Mullins vs MJ except maybe Brad Miller vs Dream...

 

[UK Cowboy]

Chris Mullins stops Jordan ftw... I meant this write up to be in the matchup vs Nos but fuckit...

Terry Porter - career - 12.2ppg 5.6apg .386 3pt% (5year 88-93) 17.7ppg 7.5apg .395 3pt%
MJ
Shane Battier - career - 8.6ppg .384 3pt% (5year 02-07) 9.7ppg .397 3pt%
Rodman - career - 7.3ppg 13.1rpg (5year 91-96) 7ppg 17.3rpg
Pau - career - 18ppg 9.5rpg 3.3apg (5year 05-10) 19.4ppg 9.6rpg 3.7apg 1.6blks

I brought up those numbers simply to show that in the triangle Battier and Porter would be able to fit right in... Porter would play more of a Pippen type role as opposed to the corner sitting style of most of the PGs MJ played with while the spot will be reserved for Battier... that's his spot... the other 3 players won multiple rings in said system and this is just the second argument because the first question is, who in the hell is going to stop MJ...? Only options are Bernard King, Chris Mullins, or Tony Parker... that's absolutely ridiculous... even if I concede 1&3 which I don't, there is no bigger mismatch in the entire mock than Mullins vs MJ except maybe Brad Miller vs Dream...

I'd have MJ double and triple teamed. No problem there, because your triangle doesn't work without a spot up shooter like Kerr or Armstrong. Rodman and Battier are scrubs on offense, and Porter's 12 points a game don't scare anyone.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Chris Mullins stops Jordan ftw... I meant this write up to be in the matchup vs Nos but fuckit...

Terry Porter - career - 12.2ppg 5.6apg .386 3pt% (5year 88-93) 17.7ppg 7.5apg .395 3pt%
MJ
Shane Battier - career - 8.6ppg .384 3pt% (5year 02-07) 9.7ppg .397 3pt%
Rodman - career - 7.3ppg 13.1rpg (5year 91-96) 7ppg 17.3rpg
Pau - career - 18ppg 9.5rpg 3.3apg (5year 05-10) 19.4ppg 9.6rpg 3.7apg 1.6blks

I brought up those numbers simply to show that in the triangle Battier and Porter would be able to fit right in... Porter would play more of a Pippen type role as opposed to the corner sitting style of most of the PGs MJ played with while the spot will be reserved for Battier... that's his spot... the other 3 players won multiple rings in said system and this is just the second argument because the first question is, who in the hell is going to stop MJ...? Only options are Bernard King, Chris Mullins, or Tony Parker... that's absolutely ridiculous... even if I concede 1&3 which I don't, there is no bigger mismatch in the entire mock than Mullins vs MJ except maybe Brad Miller vs Dream...

If I would have been matched up against you, I have no doubts I would have won. Dammit...these random matchups are killing me

 

[Nosferatu]

If I would have been matched up against you, I have no doubts I would have won. Dammit...these random matchups are killing me

FWIW I thought I beat the 2nd best team in the quarterfinals. I had Sushi 3rd.

 

[Shanemansj13]

FWIW I thought I beat the 2nd best team in the quarterfinals. I had Sushi 3rd.

You have been knocking me out of late. Time for revenge lol

 

[wlk3]

I'd have MJ double and triple teamed. No problem there, because your triangle doesn't work without a spot up shooter like Kerr or Armstrong. Rodman and Battier are scrubs on offense, and Porter's 12 points a game don't scare anyone.

I wasn't going to respond but that is complete bullshit... you're telling me that you can double and triple team MJ and completely ignore a man who averaged 18.7 rebounds a year in modern NBA, 6.4 offensive rebounds for a year in modern NBA, over 30 rebounds 5 times... here are some of his best scoring outing...

• 1.24.88: 30pts, 18rebs, 2blks

• 2.18.89: 32pts, 21rebs, 3blks, 2stls (8-10 ft)

• 1.2.90: 34pts, 23rebs (15-21 fg)

• 11.12.91: 20pts, 13rebs, (2-3 3pt)

• 12.13.91: 20pts, 25rebs, 3stls, 2blks

• 1.28.92: 16pts, 32rebs 13pt

• 2.18.92: 18pts, 27rebs, 5ast, (2-3 3pt)

• 2.27.92: 16pts, 22rebs, 4ast, (2-2 3pt)

• 3.4.92: 10pts 34 rebs (18 offensive boards)

• 3.18.92: 16pts, 25rebs

• 12.9.92: 10pts, 22rebs (3-4 3pt)

• 3.26.92: 18pts, 25rebs, 4ast, 2blks

As for the scrubs... I don't claim him to shoot a career .454 as Kerr nor .425 as BJ did... however that 2nd year with Lebron Battier did shoot .430 for the year and is a career .384 Terry Porter shot over .400 from 3, 5 times and is a career .386... but I'm sure neither can hit open shots... they must have been terrible...

So you're suggesting 2 and 3 people won't be guarded at all while MJ who's a career 5.3apg player, wouldn't pass to a wide open man and that said wide open player won't be able to hit the open shot, and the other wide open man who completely owns rebounding won't rebound it and put it in since he is a .521 career fg% shooter even though absolutely nobody will be around him... that's the answer you have... sweet

I can see it now... Scrub Battier passes to scrub Porter and clears to the baseline 3pt line... that scrub Porter passes the ball to MJ at the high post and stays up top to form the strong side triangle... at which time Bernard King and Chris Webber leave their men and grab hands with Mullins forming a circle... once the circle is formed they begin to sing ring around the rosie while moving in unison... meanwhile Battier is talking about retirement to the guys on the bench, Rodman is sitting on the floor wearing a wedding dress thinking about North Korea, and Terry Porter starts to feel like Smush Parker and vows he will never pass the the ball to MJ again... Pau and Dream are talking about global events while MJ is doing this... and @Nosferatu is throwing bricks at MJ for stealing his emoji... I can't believe I didn't see this before...

 

[Mebert]

My team still sucks

 

[UK Cowboy]

I wasn't going to respond but that is complete bullshit... you're telling me that you can double and triple team MJ and completely ignore a man who averaged 18.7 rebounds a year in modern NBA, 6.4 offensive rebounds for a year in modern NBA, over 30 rebounds 5 times... here are some of his best scoring outing...

• 1.24.88: 30pts, 18rebs, 2blks

• 2.18.89: 32pts, 21rebs, 3blks, 2stls (8-10 ft)

• 1.2.90: 34pts, 23rebs (15-21 fg)

• 11.12.91: 20pts, 13rebs, (2-3 3pt)

• 12.13.91: 20pts, 25rebs, 3stls, 2blks

• 1.28.92: 16pts, 32rebs 13pt

• 2.18.92: 18pts, 27rebs, 5ast, (2-3 3pt)

• 2.27.92: 16pts, 22rebs, 4ast, (2-2 3pt)

• 3.4.92: 10pts 34 rebs (18 offensive boards)

• 3.18.92: 16pts, 25rebs

• 12.9.92: 10pts, 22rebs (3-4 3pt)

• 3.26.92: 18pts, 25rebs, 4ast, 2blks

As for the scrubs... I don't claim him to shoot a career .454 as Kerr nor .425 as BJ did... however that 2nd year with Lebron Battier did shoot .430 for the year and is a career .384 Terry Porter shot over .400 from 3, 5 times and is a career .386... but I'm sure neither can hit open shots... they must have been terrible...

So you're suggesting 2 and 3 people won't be guarded at all while MJ who's a career 5.3apg player, wouldn't pass to a wide open man and that said wide open player won't be able to hit the open shot, and the other wide open man who completely owns rebounding won't rebound it and put it in since he is a .521 career fg% shooter even though absolutely nobody will be around him... that's the answer you have... sweet

I can see it now... Scrub Battier passes to scrub Porter and clears to the baseline 3pt line... that scrub Porter passes the ball to MJ at the high post and stays up top to form the strong side triangle... at which time Bernard King and Chris Webber leave their men and grab hands with Mullins forming a circle... once the circle is formed they begin to sing ring around the rosie while moving in unison... meanwhile Battier is talking about retirement to the guys on the bench, Rodman is sitting on the floor wearing a wedding dress thinking about North Korea, and Terry Porter starts to feel like Smush Parker and vows he will never pass the the ball to MJ again... Pau and Dream are talking about global events while MJ is doing this... and @Nosferatu is throwing bricks at MJ for stealing his emoji... I can't believe I didn't see this before...

Dude, WTF is this novel? You whined when you got beat(not a good look), and I responded why I thought you were wrong. Fine, if this were a real match-up, I'd put Webber on Pau and King on MJ. That means Hakeem could basically stand in the paint. King plays MJ strictly for the jumper, if he drives, Hakeem slams it down his throat. If Pau gets it(fine, gets it out of MJ's hands), Hakeem can help out, because Rodman couldn't hit water if he fell out of a damn boat. Maybe your problem is you spent all your money in MJ and had to take some scrubs .And yes, FOR THIS FORMAT, Battier is a freaking scrub

 

[Nosferatu]

Poop is tappered so your butt doesn't slam shut!

 

[CitySushi]

Sorry in advance for the long post, but I just love talking basketball.


Thought I'd chime in to elaborate on my vote for UK.

Even with a bit more firepower from UK's 1/3rd lineup, I still thought this would be close to a wash.

Looking at WLK's team, I thought at least from an offensive standpoint he had really great cohesive teams. While Okur might be a head scratcher to some, he's perfect for that offense. Penny would be able to post, you would draw out the center by having Okur on the perimeter, and Dale Ellis in the corner. Then you'd have Kemp at the high post and English as the slasher. I actually really like how those pieces fit.

UK's offense is also really cohesive too however with the perfect match of bruisers, perimeter players, slashers and shooting. His team is really versatile in the way they could score and would be a problem to match up with defensively. Both teams create big mis-matches either way. I think UK's team would be more consistent scoring, but WLK's could be more dynamic. I had to call this a wash.

The 2/4 matchup I had in large favor to UK.

There's a lot that goes into it, but the basic premise for me is that WLK's team would absolutely NEED for the "role" players to produce to win this matchup. Jordan would effectively act as a decoy most plays because UK's team could effectively double him and dare everyone else to beat them. WLK's team has no interior presence at all. As constructed is a 1 in 4 out concept, with Gasol likely playing the high post.

UK's team plays to it's star's strength. Hakeem and Webber would form a really lethal high low duo. Both are able to hit the mid range and both were really good passers. Add to that TP is a premiere pick and roll point guard, and would create all sorts of really hard situations to guard. Considering There'd be no back end up help with Gasol and/or Rodman having to come out against UK's bigs, it opens up the entire court for him. Then you have King as an added back side scorer with Mullin out there for 3's.

If just one of Battier or Porter is off for UK's team, he has no shot of winning. Those guys would be mostly just spot up shooters, and neither likely to put the ball on the floor to get to the rim. Being that, it creates one less way for WLK's team to score against UK.

What I look for in my judgement of who I think had the better team, it's who has the most ways to win. If option 1 is taken away, how effective would option 2 be? etc.

UK's team definitely had many more ways to win.