NFL Draft 2017

RobertPhD01 · Apr 26, 2017

Add 12lbs to WR Westbrook OU..!?!

poewelch84 · Apr 26, 2017

deep9er said:
Not sure i'm reading the above right, cause i recall the deal is for TWO 2nd round picks in 2018.

Anyway, thats ok because it depends on what chart you use? Plus, even if your chart shows it is short, i would take that deal. IMO no one else is going to come close to this deal.

It would still end up being about 130 to 150 points short would be my guess maybe even a little more than that so essentially they would need to throw in a third rounder in 2018 to be fair value and I would stick to that.

Ricky Roma · Apr 26, 2017

I think we can somewhat dismiss any chart system when it comes to trade value.....especially this year. I also see the latest 'Niners are interested in Trubisky @ 2' are just attempts to make Cleveland A) Take Trubisky @ 1, B) make Cleveland try and trade up to #2 to ensure they get the QB after they've taken Garrett @ 1, or C) enticing one of those other teams in the top 10 to move up to guarantee they get their player.

Scenario A) Niners end up with Garrett, unless somebody else wants to move up? Consensus best player in the draft is a good thing. As stupid as Cleveland can be....I don't see them passing on the pass rusher.

Scenario B) I also don't see Cleveland making their way from 12 to 2, and even if we gather up some picks in that scenario, SF loses out on the upper echelon talent (unless they decide to move back up).

Scenario C) Also a good situation to gather more picks, and Derek Barnett or Malik Hooker potentially still on the board in all likelyhood, so that's a win.

In the end, Lynch and Shanahan have to go out of their way to let me down....SF is in a good position one way or the other. Solomon Thomas @ 2 from a realistic point of view, is the pick I've wanted for a while. I'd have no issues with Adams/Allen/Barnett/Fournette/Hooker/Lattimore with that pick either, or of course Garrett.

Pattersonca65 · Apr 26, 2017

Ricky Roma said:
I think we can somewhat dismiss any chart system when it comes to trade value.....especially this year. I also see the latest 'Niners are interested in Trubisky @ 2' are just attempts to make Cleveland A) Take Trubisky @ 1, B) make Cleveland try and trade up to #2 to ensure they get the QB after they've taken Garrett @ 1, or C) enticing one of those other teams in the top 10 to move up to guarantee they get their player.

Scenario A) Niners end up with Garrett, unless somebody else wants to move up? Consensus best player in the draft is a good thing. As stupid as Cleveland can be....I don't see them passing on the pass rusher.

Scenario B) I also don't see Cleveland making their way from 12 to 2, and even if we gather up some picks in that scenario, SF loses out on the upper echelon talent (unless they decide to move back up).

Scenario C) Also a good situation to gather more picks, and Derek Barnett or Malik Hooker potentially still on the board in all likelyhood, so that's a win.

In the end, Lynch and Shanahan have to go out of their way to let me down....SF is in a good position one way or the other. Solomon Thomas @ 2 from a realistic point of view, is the pick I've wanted for a while. I'd have no issues with Adams/Allen/Barnett/Fournette/Hooker/Lattimore with that pick either, or of course Garrett.

I agree with all of this. Whatever Lynch/Shanahan do, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are making moves that will make this team better until they show me otherwise like Baalke did.

Ricky Roma · Apr 26, 2017

Adam Schefter states the Browns, based on some really, really credible sources, are leaning to take Trubisky @ 1. Chris Mortensen is also pretty specific with a deal in place with Chicago: Niners give up their 2nd and 34th pick for the Bears 3rd overall, the 36th, 67th, a 2nd round pick in 2018 and a 3rd rounder in 2019. I wonder if these two rumours are tied together - Chi wants Garrett/knows the Browns are going Trubisky allowing Garrett to fall into the 49ers hands.

You see a lot of bull thrown at the wall right before the draft, but these guys are pretty credible.

Pattersonca65 · Apr 26, 2017

Ricky Roma said:
Adam Schefter states the Browns, based on some really, really credible sources, are leaning to take Trubisky @ 1. Chris Mortensen is also pretty specific with a deal in place with Chicago: Niners give up their 2nd and 34th pick for the Bears 3rd overall, the 36th, 67th, a 2nd round pick in 2018 and a 3rd rounder in 2019. I wonder if these two rumours are tied together - Chi wants Garrett/knows the Browns are going Trubisky allowing Garrett to fall into the 49ers hands.

You see a lot of bull thrown at the wall right before the draft, but these guys are pretty credible.

Kind of difficult to believe Chicago would make a move based on what they've heard the Browns are going to. But who knows. I really can't wait for the draft to tomorrow. I've already had enough of all the mock drafts and rumors, etc. Lets just get this thing going already

Ricky Roma · Apr 26, 2017

Pattersonca65 said:
Kind of difficult to believe Chicago would make a move based on what they've heard the Browns are going to.

Teams do it all the time.....they don't always just leap-frog in front of each other because of a hunch or a guess. I'm not saying this is the case specifically with the Bears, but who knows?

Then again....it could all be a bunch of great media spin to sell and hype their product.

deep9er · Apr 26, 2017

Ricky Roma said:
Adam Schefter states the Browns, based on some really, really credible sources, are leaning to take Trubisky @ 1. Chris Mortensen is also pretty specific with a deal in place with Chicago: Niners give up their 2nd and 34th pick for the Bears 3rd overall, the 36th, 67th, a 2nd round pick in 2018 and a 3rd rounder in 2019. I wonder if these two rumours are tied together - Chi wants Garrett/knows the Browns are going Trubisky allowing Garrett to fall into the 49ers hands.

You see a lot of bull thrown at the wall right before the draft, but these guys are pretty credible.

As tempting as this would be, i'd go ahead and draft Garrett.

Now if they do take this trade instead, i'd then TRY to trade down again from #3. I'd be looking for at least an extra 2nd round pick. Realistically, there isn't anyone worth trading up for, and is why it is "TRY".

Ricky Roma · Apr 26, 2017

deep9er said:
As tempting as this would be, i'd go ahead and draft Garrett.

Now if they do take this trade instead, i'd then TRY to trade down again from #3.

That's just it....I guess it all depends on the guy SF has in mind given the scenarios involved? Most would love to take Garrett...but maybe SF sees someone like Derek Barnett as his equal and can get more draft picks in trading back and still get the guy they covet.

Ricky Roma · Apr 26, 2017

Yeah.....it looks like ESPN is a sinking ship, and with all the cuts, I'd bet they are desperate for anything to boost ratings. Despite all the smoke and mirrors from guys like Schefter, I'll stand with Garrett @ 1.....the Trubisky talk is nothing but talk.

Groo · Apr 27, 2017

Lets make Garrett and Jarrad Niners

Pattersonca65 · Apr 27, 2017

Ricky Roma said:
Yeah.....it looks like ESPN is a sinking ship, and with all the cuts, I'd bet they are desperate for anything to boost ratings. Despite all the smoke and mirrors from guys like Schefter, I'll stand with Garrett @ 1.....the Trubisky talk is nothing but talk.

With the 24 hours news cycle and everyone wanting to be first person to break a story, stuff gets thrown out there quickly all the time and more than half of it isn't true. Like the time the 49ers were going to make a three way trade to get Kirk Cousins

Pattersonca65 · Apr 27, 2017

I remember when drafting Armstead was the worst kept secret in the NFL

Mystery vs. history: 49ers' new regime brings unpredictability to draft

Kinzu · Apr 27, 2017

If Garret drops I hope we make a trade. Garret being there plus a QB off the board means our #2 pick is highly valuable. I'm not sold on Garret and would rather fall back some and take Fournette, Thomas, or one of the safeties. If drop out of the top 10 then I'm ok going QB with Watson or Mahomes.

Ricky Roma · Apr 27, 2017

Pattersonca65 said:
With the 24 hours news cycle and everyone wanting to be first person to break a story, stuff gets thrown out there quickly all the time and more than half of it isn't true. Like the time the 49ers were going to make a three way trade to get Kirk Cousins

No doubt about it. Now, Schefter is saying Garrett is probably the Cleveland choice to kick it all off, and most seem to think that Adams goes next to SF. I'd have no problem with it, but after Garrett, the next guy for me is Thomas.

Cut My Red I Bleed Gold · Apr 27, 2017

I'm pretty ready to nerd out on the draft today. I like that we're basically spinning around in a circle firing off a roman candle in regards to any leads on who we're taking. Such a far cry from the civ that once was the 49ers FO. I like what Lynch and Shanny have done so far in the off season and can't wait to see what they do with this draft.

deep9er · Apr 27, 2017

Kinzu said:
If Garret drops I hope we make a trade. Garret being there plus a QB off the board means our #2 pick is highly valuable. I'm not sold on Garret and would rather fall back some and take Fournette, Thomas, or one of the safeties. If drop out of the top 10 then I'm ok going QB with Watson or Mahomes.

your opinion is fine and believe this is the only opinion against drafting Garrett?

Anyway, a very good LEO is also very hard to obtain. IMO that is the hardest position to fill next to QB. If another prospect like Garrett comes along, it'll take a LOT of draft capital to get him. So now that we're sitting at #2 and able to draft this "once in a generation" pass rusher, we can't over think it. [yes, a BIG assumption Cleveland passes]

Every prospects have something negative about them, and some issues are worse than others. In this case we don't see character issues, nor major injury potential; so what else can we ask for? We could gain a lot of picks in a trade down, but will we fill the Leo with those picks? In todays NFL, most opponents will have good passing offenses, so our defense NEEDS to pressure.

deep9er · Apr 27, 2017

Cut My Red I Bleed Gold said:
I'm pretty ready to nerd out on the draft today. I like that we're basically spinning around in a circle firing off a roman candle in regards to any leads on who we're taking. Such a far cry from the civ that once was the 49ers FO. I like what Lynch and Shanny have done so far in the off season and can't wait to see what they do with this draft.

haaa, good for you.

In this unusual make-up of this draft class, what happens in rounds 2 thru 4 will play a larger than normal roll. This draft class isn't strong at the very top, with only Garrett as 'elite', but the depth seems very strong.

I'm for BPA whomever they are, and our top picks (first 3) could easily be defensive.

Cut My Red I Bleed Gold · Apr 27, 2017

deep9er said:
haaa, good for you.

In this unusual make-up of this draft class, what happens in rounds 2 thru 4 will play a larger than normal roll. This draft class isn't strong at the very top, with only Garrett as 'elite', but the depth seems very strong.

I'm for BPA whomever they are, and our top picks (first 3) could easily be defensive.

Yea I feel the same way about this draft class which is why it's going to be very interesting to watch. I feel like it that with a few trades all the rumors and draft charts could be completely blown up. Only 3 hours to go.

deep9er · Apr 27, 2017

Cleveland must be trying to work at trade up from #12? Else, why so long?

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