Drew Brees vs Tom Brady the Past 5 Seasons

NWPATSFAN · Aug 17, 2018

Ricky Roma said:
The 'narrative' is based upon some idiotic notion that says 'more rings = better'....with little to no substance behind it. I find it somewhat interesting that you would use Peyton Manning as an example, given that all we need to look at are the two QB's in this discussion....Brady/Brees. Brees' last run at a potential SB ended on a complete fluke/meltdown that he had nothing to do with. Brady? Well....lets just say his last two 'rings' were literally given to him by Atlanta and Seattle.

Rings themselves, don't mean much at all.

So what idiotic narrative counts?
TDs?
INTs?
Comp?
Yards thrown?
Yards Ran?
Fumbles?
Come from behind wins?
game winning drives?
Wins?
Losses?
Chokes (if you can find a way to quantify a choke)?
Any of the new cyber metrics one may want to use to fit their argument?

Look I agree rings alone don't = better. But they certainly play a part in it when quantifying who someone feels is better. Unless of course that person wants to argue for a QB who has less, Then of course they don't count.

A QB alone doesn't catch TDs he just throws them.
He's not the only one to blame on some INTs yet he gets "credited" with them.
He doesn't win or lose on his own yet he gets credited with the record.

What I'm getting at is it takes a team as well as a system to get any stat.

So why shouldn't winning the biggest game on the biggest stage count?

BTW two rings were also stolen from him if you want to play that game. :doh:

PatsFan2003 · Aug 17, 2018

Ricky Roma said:
The 'narrative' is based upon some idiotic notion that says 'more rings = better'....with little to no substance behind it. I find it somewhat interesting that you would use Peyton Manning as an example, given that all we need to look at are the two QB's in this discussion....Brady/Brees. Brees' last run at a potential SB ended on a complete fluke/meltdown that he had nothing to do with. Brady? Well....lets just say his last two 'rings' were literally given to him by Atlanta and Seattle.

Rings themselves, don't mean much at all.

Montana SB rings are part of his legend as well. If he has never won any or just won 1 it would have made a difference in how people view his career.

PatsFan2003 · Aug 17, 2018

NWPATSFAN said:
So what idiotic narrative counts?
TDs?
INTs?
Comp?
Yards thrown?
Yards Ran?
Fumbles?
Come from behind wins?
game winning drives?
Wins?
Losses?
Chokes (if you can find a way to quantify a choke)?
Any of the new cyber metrics one may want to use to fit their argument?

Look I agree rings alone don't = better. But they certainly play a part in it when quantifying who someone feels is better. Unless of course that person wants to argue for a QB who has less, Then of course they don't count.

A QB alone doesn't catch TDs he just throws them.
He's not the only one to blame on some INTs yet he gets "credited" with them.
He doesn't win or lose on his own yet he gets credited with the record.

What I'm getting at is it takes a team as well as a system to get any stat.

So why shouldn't winning the biggest game on the biggest stage count?

BTW two rings were also stolen from him if you want to play that game.

Or Kearse's catch. No fluke there.

Ricky Roma · Aug 17, 2018

PatsFan2003 said:
Montana SB rings are part of his legend as well. If he has never won any or just won 1 it would have made a difference in how people view his career.

Again....anyone who simply goes by 'more rings = better player' argument is basically a shit-bot who can't make any kind of logical argument in the first place. It's almost as bad as comparing stats at face value throughout the different eras without even a consideration....

PatsFan2003 · Aug 17, 2018

Ricky Roma said:
Again....anyone who simply goes by 'more rings = better player' argument is basically a shit-bot who can't make any kind of logical argument in the first place. It's almost as bad as comparing stats at face value throughout the different eras without even a consideration....

Yes absolutely but they are still part of the equation. Getting there, playing well and winning are part of the equation. They shouldn't be ignored should they??

NWPATSFAN · Aug 17, 2018

PatsFan2003 said:
Yes absolutely but they are still part of the equation. Getting there, playing well and winning are part of the equation. They shouldn't be ignored should they??

I think I know why he doesn't want to answer. :noidea:

It's already been answered in this thread alone a couple times.

PatsFan2003 · Aug 17, 2018

NWPATSFAN said:
I think I know why he doesn't want to answer.

It's already been answered in this thread alone a couple times.

I think the OP has a great point but how champions perform in the biggest games of their sport do count too.

DirtDirtDirt · Aug 17, 2018

PhillyGreen said:
Where is the Superbow Column? He clearly has Brees beat there. I am not a fan of Brady but it is ridiculous to compare numbers between 2 QB's when one has SuperBowl rings and appearances during that period and the other does not.

Or ridiculous to bring up Super Bowls when you compare the divisions they play in

I'll let you in on a little secret, Drew Brees would be winning the AFC East every year of his career also

Rock Strongo · Aug 17, 2018

There is A Moose at 3rd said:

brady missed 5 games (he played about 10 mins of the final game vs buffalo a few years back, pats lost to buffalo at home for the first time since 1922)

also, im seeing brees has thrown 10 more TD's and 10 more picks. rating is off by about 1 pt

more 4thQCB
same GWD

i dont get this

Rock Strongo · Aug 17, 2018

There is A Moose at 3rd said:
One plays in the AFC East. The other does not.

SB Winz probably mean close to nothing to me as far as player comparisons go.

Plunkett and Eli have multiple super bowl rings.

A ridiculous column would be SB wins.

why?

QB's are kinda judged by it.

its why terry bradshaw is in canton but cant spell it.

same with aikman. take away his rings and...

jarntt · Aug 17, 2018

DirtDirtDirt said:
Or ridiculous to bring up Super Bowls when you compare the divisions they play in

I'll let you in on a little secret, Drew Brees would be winning the AFC East every year of his career also

To be fair though, Brees went from the AFC to the NFC and went from good QB to elite.

Rock Strongo · Aug 17, 2018

There is A Moose at 3rd said:
The fact the stats are as close as they were with Brees' early career in SD is actually kind of funny to me.

including the year he had a 104 rating?

Carnzo · Aug 17, 2018

I would have been just as happy to have had Drew as the Pats QB.
I think the BB was the difference in the championships.

Yankee Traveler · Aug 17, 2018

Ojb81 said:
Maaaaaaan fuck a Brees, fuck a Brady. Pfff!

Fuck a Steeler and Fuck a Steeler Queer.

Not literally.......figuratively fuck a Steeler Queer.

Rock Strongo · Aug 17, 2018

brees has played 119 games in domes

309 YPG 69% comp
271 TD/111 INT
72-47 record
102.6 rating

outdoors?
251 YPG, 64% comp
200 TD/107 picks
65-56 record
90.9 rating (wow, i did a double take. its correct)

Brady in domes?
well, hes played in one 13 times
265.8 YPG 68% comp
29 TD/9 INT
11-2 record
112.0 rating

outdoors?
232 games
260 YPG 64% comp
443 TD/143 picks
179-53 record
96.8 rating

NEhomer · Aug 17, 2018

Montana's not GOAT but Ricky's definitely the GOAT Montana fan.

Ricky Roma · Aug 17, 2018

PatsFan2003 said:
Yes absolutely but they are still part of the equation. Getting there, playing well and winning are part of the equation. They shouldn't be ignored should they??

I don't consider 'rings' itself as part of the equation. Getting there? Playing well? Winning? All factors that vary given the eras, the surrounding talent, the coaching, etc. etc. Drew Brees would win several Bowls had he been a Pat. Brady on the Saints? Don't see him getting more than the one NO got in 2009....if he gets that one at all.

Rock Strongo · Aug 17, 2018

Ricky Roma said:
I don't consider 'rings' itself as part of the equation. Getting there? Playing well? Winning? All factors that vary given the eras, the surrounding talent, the coaching, etc. etc. Drew Brees would win several Bowls had he been a Pat. Brady on the Saints? Don't see him getting more than the one NO got in 2009....if he gets that one at all.

If you remove rings from the equation, you eliinate a lot of HOF QB's.

like aikman
like bradshaw
like namath (perhaps)

DirtDirtDirt · Aug 17, 2018

Ricky Roma said:
I don't consider 'rings' itself as part of the equation. Getting there? Playing well? Winning? All factors that vary given the eras, the surrounding talent, the coaching, etc. etc. Drew Brees would win several Bowls had he been a Pat. Brady on the Saints? Don't see him getting more than the one NO got in 2009....if he gets that one at all.

Exactly

DirtDirtDirt · Aug 17, 2018

Rock Strongo said:
If you remove rings from the equation, you eliinate a lot of HOF QB's.

like aikman
like bradshaw
like namath (perhaps)

Def Namath

The "guarantee" was his ticket

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