All-Time College Football Program Ranking

How is tamu top 20

Sgt Brutus said:

How is tamu top 20

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Bruh, Jimbo has already won a National Championship plaque at A&M without even coaching a single game there. That’s fucking impressive.

Sgt Brutus said:

How is tamu top 20

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Fordman did it.

SteelersPride said:

this we suck now but pitt was damn good

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OT

I am really scared to mention this, but every time I've said the name of the coach that many Pitt fans blame on the demise of their program, SC has lost the game. Last time I risked it SC lost AT HOME to Washington State University. I'm not superstitious but that seems to be too strong of a correlation to deny.

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I am really scared to mention this, but every time I've said the name of the coach that many Pitt fans blame on the demise of their program, SC has lost the game. Last time I risked it SC lost AT HOME to Washington State University. I'm not superstitious but that seems to be too strong of a correlation to deny.

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Generally curious who they blame for their demise? Pop Warner? Mark May?

Blackshirts BLVD said:

I'm okay with the other teams being ahead of Nebraska as I feel there is a clear arguement to be made for that, but Michigan? No offense to wolverine fans here, but let's be honest... Michigan has the most all time wins, but since the AP poll started in 1936, Michigan has only been ranked #1 (34 times) whereas Nebraska has (70 times). Michigan has 3 NC, Nebraska 5. Nebraska has more bowl appearances, bowl wins, conference titles... I see that and go

Don't get me wrong, I think all-time and historically speaking Michigan should absolutely be on the list... but the stat of how many times they have been ranked #1 alone demonstrates as an example of how comparable their competitiveness has been relatively speaking since the start of the AP. Everyone else in the top ten has some semblance of structure from that stat to imply why they are where they are. Top 5 are relatively close to each other. Nebraska unfortunately, based on number looks like a gatekeeper to the top 5... the only exception is that for some reason Michigan is ahead even though they have less than half.

BAMA - 103
Ohio St - 105
Notre Dame - 98
USC - 91
OU - 101
Michigan - 34 - um, what.
Nebraska - 70
Texas - 45
Penn St - 21
LSU - 30


I know this list doesn't matter and I know it isn't based solely on that statistic I pointed out, but when I think of Michigan.. I think of a team that is typically good, but rarely great and I think about their rivalry with Ohio State. Nothing stands out to me. When I think about Nebraska, I think decades of domination, greatest team of all time ('95), rivalry with OU (game of the century), I think of one of the biggest beat downs in a national championship game (62-24 over Florida).

But call me biased lol.

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Good data and I too am biased. But if you don't adjust time frame and truly make it all time....
Winsipedia - Michigan Wolverines vs. Nebraska Cornhuskers football series history

Good to see Alabama at #1. They've had a good run the past few yrs. but didn't think they'd be #1 on such a list.

BigRedMoe said:

Good data and I too am biased. But if you don't adjust time frame and truly make it all time....
Winsipedia - Michigan Wolverines vs. Nebraska Cornhuskers football series history

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I've seen that, but lets break it down a little bit. LONG POST.

These are Michigan and Nebraskas all time records against conferences and non-FBS (from winsipedia).

Against the ACC
Nebraska 27-39-3 = 39.1% winning percentage
Michigan 29-10-1 = 72.5% winning percentage

Michigan has only 2 more wins, however Nebraska has played 29 more ACC opponents than Michigan. Michigan takes the winning percentage, but Nebraska takes a competitve advantage.

Against the American Conference
Nebraska 3-1-1 = 60% winning percentage
Michigan 24-5-1 =80% winning percentage

Nebraska doesn't have much on an analysis to go off of here, both having winning records and both should have winning records.

Against the Big12
Nebraska 359-121-11 = 73.1% winning percentage
Michigan 7-3-1 = 63.6% winning percentage

Obviously Nebraska used to be in the Big12 and in the Big8 which makes up a majority of the Big12 so there is histroy there. I find it a little surprising that Michigan has only played 11 games ALL TIME against an entire power 5 conference. Not much of an analysis to be given from Michigan, but the fact that it is with a power 5 conference shows a lack of competition. Nebraskas primary conference or at least primary teams played, they have a 73.1% winning percentage.

Against the B1G
Nebraska 114-93-10 = 52.5% winning percentage
Michigan 548-216-24 = 69.5% winning percentage

Both have winning records, obviously this being Michigans conference with their primary opponents. Michigan touts a 69.5% winning percentage in the Big10.


Against the MAC
Nebraska 5-1 = 83.3% winning percentage
Michigan 32-1 = 96.9% winning percentage

Nebraskas only loss came in 2017 (most recent season to Northern Illinois). Both have winning records, both should have winning records.

Against the Mountain West
Nebraska 36-2 = 94.7% winning percentage
Michigan 10-0 = 100% winning percentage

Both have winning records and should have winning records.

Against the PAC12
Nebraska 91-43-5 = 65.4% winning percentage
Michigan 50-26-1 = 64.9% winning percentage

This demonstrates again (as in the ACC and BIG12) that Nebraska has a greater history of playing power 5 teams... and Michigan has a historic TIE IN with the PAC12. I was actually surprised to see Nebraska playing more PAC opponents than Michigan.

Against the SEC
Nebraska 95-49-4 = 64.1% winning percentage
Michigan 26-12-1 = 66.6% winning percentage

It again shows how few power 5 opponents Michigan has played.


Against the Sun Belt
Nebraska 13-0 = 100% winning percentage
Michigan 1-1 = 50% winning percentage

Against C-USA
Nebraska 14-1 = 93.3% winning percentage
Michigan 2-0 = 100% winning percentage

Against Independents
Nebraska 11-10-1 = 50% winning percentage
Michigan 31-23-1 = 56.3% winning percentage

Almost all of both teams wins and losses in this category comes against Notre Dame and both teams have a winning record against Notre Dame as well.

Againt NON-FBS Teams All Time
Nebraska 125-20-5 = 83.3% winning percentage
Michigan 183-42-6 = 79.2% winning percentage

Michigan has played 81 more NON-FBS opponents than Nebraska.


All Time against Power 5 (independents excluded)
Nebraska 686-345-33 = 64.4% winning percentage
Michigan 660-267-28 = 69.1% winning percentage


This does show that Michigan has a slightly better all time winning percentage against power 5 opponents, what it doesn't show is that Nebraska has played 109 more power 5 opponents than Michigan.


So yes, Michigan has a better record and winning percentage all time, but when you play that many more weaker opponents it is a lot easier to inflate your record.

Blackshirts BLVD said:

I've seen that, but lets break it down a little bit. LONG POST.

These are Michigan and Nebraskas all time records against conferences and non-FBS (from winsipedia).

Against the ACC
Nebraska 27-39-3 = 39.1% winning percentage
Michigan 29-10-1 = 72.5% winning percentage

Michigan has only 2 more wins, however Nebraska has played 29 more ACC opponents than Michigan. Michigan takes the winning percentage, but Nebraska takes a competitve advantage.

Against the American Conference
Nebraska 3-1-1 = 60% winning percentage
Michigan 24-5-1 =80% winning percentage

Nebraska doesn't have much on an analysis to go off of here, both having winning records and both should have winning records.

Against the Big12
Nebraska 359-121-11 = 73.1% winning percentage
Michigan 7-3-1 = 63.6% winning percentage

Obviously Nebraska used to be in the Big12 and in the Big8 which makes up a majority of the Big12 so there is histroy there. I find it a little surprising that Michigan has only played 11 games ALL TIME against an entire power 5 conference. Not much of an analysis to be given from Michigan, but the fact that it is with a power 5 conference shows a lack of competition. Nebraskas primary conference or at least primary teams played, they have a 73.1% winning percentage.

Against the B1G
Nebraska 114-93-10 = 52.5% winning percentage
Michigan 548-216-24 = 69.5% winning percentage

Both have winning records, obviously this being Michigans conference with their primary opponents. Michigan touts a 69.5% winning percentage in the Big10.


Against the MAC
Nebraska 5-1 = 83.3% winning percentage
Michigan 32-1 = 96.9% winning percentage

Nebraskas only loss came in 2017 (most recent season to Northern Illinois). Both have winning records, both should have winning records.

Against the Mountain West
Nebraska 36-2 = 94.7% winning percentage
Michigan 10-0 = 100% winning percentage

Both have winning records and should have winning records.

Against the PAC12
Nebraska 91-43-5 = 65.4% winning percentage
Michigan 50-26-1 = 64.9% winning percentage

This demonstrates again (as in the ACC and BIG12) that Nebraska has a greater history of playing power 5 teams... and Michigan has a historic TIE IN with the PAC12. I was actually surprised to see Nebraska playing more PAC opponents than Michigan.

Against the SEC
Nebraska 95-49-4 = 64.1% winning percentage
Michigan 26-12-1 = 66.6% winning percentage

It again shows how few power 5 opponents Michigan has played.


Against the Sun Belt
Nebraska 13-0 = 100% winning percentage
Michigan 1-1 = 50% winning percentage

Against C-USA
Nebraska 14-1 = 93.3% winning percentage
Michigan 2-0 = 100% winning percentage

Against Independents
Nebraska 11-10-1 = 50% winning percentage
Michigan 31-23-1 = 56.3% winning percentage

Almost all of both teams wins and losses in this category comes against Notre Dame and both teams have a winning record against Notre Dame as well.

Againt NON-FBS Teams All Time
Nebraska 125-20-5 = 83.3% winning percentage
Michigan 183-42-6 = 79.2% winning percentage

Michigan has played 81 more NON-FBS opponents than Nebraska.


All Time against Power 5 (independents excluded)
Nebraska 686-345-33 = 64.4% winning percentage
Michigan 660-267-28 = 69.1% winning percentage


This does show that Michigan has a slightly better all time winning percentage against power 5 opponents, what it doesn't show is that Nebraska has played 109 more power 5 opponents than Michigan.


So yes, Michigan has a better record and winning percentage all time, but when you play that many more weaker opponents it is a lot easier to inflate your record.

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It looks to me like you left out NU's record while they were in the Big 8.

BigRedMoe said:

Good data and I too am biased. But if you don't adjust time frame and truly make it all time....
Winsipedia - Michigan Wolverines vs. Nebraska Cornhuskers football series history

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Continued lol... I started something that I have to finish now.

National Championships - Since the AP Michigan has claimed 3. Nebraska has claimed 5. All in all, Michigan claims 11 (I don't want to get started on the other "8") and has unclaimed 5 = totalling 16. Nebraska claimed and unclaimed total 14. Splitting hairs here. Personally, I think the start of the AP is the most genuine starting place to go from for NCs, not because Nebraska has more, but because it is a more objective stat.

Nebraska has Michigan beat in conference titles, bowls, bowl wins/winning percentage.

Tied for Heisman winners.

Michigan has a clear edge in consensus all americans over Nebraska

Michigan edges Nebraska by 4 in total draft picks and by 10 in 1st round. Personally I don't believe these statistics matter as to how well the college team is. It's like the arguement between who is better, '95 Nebrsaka or 01' Miami. Miami had a ton of more draft picks and NFL talent... but they didn't play as difficult a schedule nor did they dominate teams as hard as the '95 Nebraska team did. So I'm sorry, future potential doesn't matter to ACTUAL results.

Michigan has been ranked in 105 more polls than Nebraska, but Nebraska has been ranked #1 more than double that of Michigan. Given how we have seen the teams Michigan has played over the years, I would say that it is likely they played weaker competition and thus had a better schedule which allows them to stay ranked longer.


With that said, Michigan just hasn't played tougher teams. They have pat their schedule to inflate their resume. When you break things down... Nebraska is in my opinion, objectively better. I may be biased, but hopefully you see that I tried to be objective with using the numbers.

Blackshirts BLVD said:

I've seen that, but lets break it down a little bit. LONG POST.

These are Michigan and Nebraskas all time records against conferences and non-FBS (from winsipedia).

Against the ACC
Nebraska 27-39-3 = 39.1% winning percentage
Michigan 29-10-1 = 72.5% winning percentage

Michigan has only 2 more wins, however Nebraska has played 29 more ACC opponents than Michigan. Michigan takes the winning percentage, but Nebraska takes a competitve advantage.

Against the American Conference
Nebraska 3-1-1 = 60% winning percentage
Michigan 24-5-1 =80% winning percentage

Nebraska doesn't have much on an analysis to go off of here, both having winning records and both should have winning records.

Against the Big12
Nebraska 359-121-11 = 73.1% winning percentage
Michigan 7-3-1 = 63.6% winning percentage

Obviously Nebraska used to be in the Big12 and in the Big8 which makes up a majority of the Big12 so there is histroy there. I find it a little surprising that Michigan has only played 11 games ALL TIME against an entire power 5 conference. Not much of an analysis to be given from Michigan, but the fact that it is with a power 5 conference shows a lack of competition. Nebraskas primary conference or at least primary teams played, they have a 73.1% winning percentage.

Against the B1G
Nebraska 114-93-10 = 52.5% winning percentage
Michigan 548-216-24 = 69.5% winning percentage

Both have winning records, obviously this being Michigans conference with their primary opponents. Michigan touts a 69.5% winning percentage in the Big10.


Against the MAC
Nebraska 5-1 = 83.3% winning percentage
Michigan 32-1 = 96.9% winning percentage

Nebraskas only loss came in 2017 (most recent season to Northern Illinois). Both have winning records, both should have winning records.

Against the Mountain West
Nebraska 36-2 = 94.7% winning percentage
Michigan 10-0 = 100% winning percentage

Both have winning records and should have winning records.

Against the PAC12
Nebraska 91-43-5 = 65.4% winning percentage
Michigan 50-26-1 = 64.9% winning percentage

This demonstrates again (as in the ACC and BIG12) that Nebraska has a greater history of playing power 5 teams... and Michigan has a historic TIE IN with the PAC12. I was actually surprised to see Nebraska playing more PAC opponents than Michigan.

Against the SEC
Nebraska 95-49-4 = 64.1% winning percentage
Michigan 26-12-1 = 66.6% winning percentage

It again shows how few power 5 opponents Michigan has played.


Against the Sun Belt
Nebraska 13-0 = 100% winning percentage
Michigan 1-1 = 50% winning percentage

Against C-USA
Nebraska 14-1 = 93.3% winning percentage
Michigan 2-0 = 100% winning percentage

Against Independents
Nebraska 11-10-1 = 50% winning percentage
Michigan 31-23-1 = 56.3% winning percentage

Almost all of both teams wins and losses in this category comes against Notre Dame and both teams have a winning record against Notre Dame as well.

Againt NON-FBS Teams All Time
Nebraska 125-20-5 = 83.3% winning percentage
Michigan 183-42-6 = 79.2% winning percentage

Michigan has played 81 more NON-FBS opponents than Nebraska.


All Time against Power 5 (independents excluded)
Nebraska 686-345-33 = 64.4% winning percentage
Michigan 660-267-28 = 69.1% winning percentage


This does show that Michigan has a slightly better all time winning percentage against power 5 opponents, what it doesn't show is that Nebraska has played 109 more power 5 opponents than Michigan.


So yes, Michigan has a better record and winning percentage all time, but when you play that many more weaker opponents it is a lot easier to inflate your record.

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Blackshirts BLVD said:

Continued lol... I started something that I have to finish now.

National Championships - Since the AP Michigan has claimed 3. Nebraska has claimed 5. All in all, Michigan claims 11 (I don't want to get started on the other "8") and has unclaimed 5 = totalling 16. Nebraska claimed and unclaimed total 14. Splitting hairs here. Personally, I think the start of the AP is the most genuine starting place to go from for NCs, not because Nebraska has more, but because it is a more objective stat.

Nebraska has Michigan beat in conference titles, bowls, bowl wins/winning percentage.

Tied for Heisman winners.

Michigan has a clear edge in consensus all americans over Nebraska

Michigan edges Nebraska by 4 in total draft picks and by 10 in 1st round. Personally I don't believe these statistics matter as to how well the college team is. It's like the arguement between who is better, '95 Nebrsaka or 01' Miami. Miami had a ton of more draft picks and NFL talent... but they didn't play as difficult a schedule nor did they dominate teams as hard as the '95 Nebraska team did. So I'm sorry, future potential doesn't matter to ACTUAL results.

Michigan has been ranked in 105 more polls than Nebraska, but Nebraska has been ranked #1 more than double that of Michigan. Given how we have seen the teams Michigan has played over the years, I would say that it is likely they played weaker competition and thus had a better schedule which allows them to stay ranked longer.


With that said, Michigan just hasn't played tougher teams. They have pat their schedule to inflate their resume. When you break things down... Nebraska is in my opinion, objectively better. I may be biased, but hopefully you see that I tried to be objective with using the numbers.

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You Forgot

Who was the best team in 1997/Nebraska or Michigan/Discuss

AlaskaGuy said:

It looks to me like you left out NU's record while they were in the Big 8.

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Since winsipedia was quoted, I used their numbers. They show conferences as they are today, but the game wins/losses are still the same. If I adjust the conferences back to the Big 8...

Nebraska all time against only the Big 8 teams (OU, Okie St, KU, KSU, ISU, Mizzou, CU) is 444-159-16 = 71.7% winning percentage.

But again, my main point was taking the power 5 opponents which doesn't change the numbers. Nebraska at 64.4% and Michigan at 69.1% with a caveat that Nebraska has played 109 more power 5 opponents than Michigan as they are arranged currently with independents excluded.

If I adjust the other conferences back (taking away CU from PAC and Mizzou and A&M from the SEC) this is what you would get...

SEC
Nebraska 20-9-1 = 66.6% winning percentage
Michigan 22-9-1 =68.7% winning percentage

PAC
Nebraska 42-25-3 = 60% winning percentage
Michigan 46-25-1 = 63.8% winning percentage

But again, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as they are tallied from the individual games played against power 5 opponents. As you can see, the adjustment didn't do much to the overall percentages and it doesn't change the total number of power 5 opponents played.

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You Forgot

Who was the best team in 1997/Nebraska or Michigan/Discuss

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THAT IS GREAT! I couldn't agree more. I've never seen that before, but it is great.

Blackshirts BLVD said:

Continued lol... I started something that I have to finish now.

National Championships - Since the AP Michigan has claimed 3. Nebraska has claimed 5. All in all, Michigan claims 11 (I don't want to get started on the other "8") and has unclaimed 5 = totalling 16. Nebraska claimed and unclaimed total 14. Splitting hairs here. Personally, I think the start of the AP is the most genuine starting place to go from for NCs, not because Nebraska has more, but because it is a more objective stat.

Nebraska has Michigan beat in conference titles, bowls, bowl wins/winning percentage.

Tied for Heisman winners.

Michigan has a clear edge in consensus all americans over Nebraska

Michigan edges Nebraska by 4 in total draft picks and by 10 in 1st round. Personally I don't believe these statistics matter as to how well the college team is. It's like the arguement between who is better, '95 Nebrsaka or 01' Miami. Miami had a ton of more draft picks and NFL talent... but they didn't play as difficult a schedule nor did they dominate teams as hard as the '95 Nebraska team did. So I'm sorry, future potential doesn't matter to ACTUAL results.

Michigan has been ranked in 105 more polls than Nebraska, but Nebraska has been ranked #1 more than double that of Michigan. Given how we have seen the teams Michigan has played over the years, I would say that it is likely they played weaker competition and thus had a better schedule which allows them to stay ranked longer.


With that said, Michigan just hasn't played tougher teams. They have pat their schedule to inflate their resume. When you break things down... Nebraska is in my opinion, objectively better. I may be biased, but hopefully you see that I tried to be objective with using the numbers.

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Great info and comparisons in both posts.... but what the fuck is this?!?

Blackshirts BLVD said:

I'm okay with the other teams being ahead of Nebraska as I feel there is a clear arguement to be made for that, but Michigan? No offense to wolverine fans here, but let's be honest... Michigan has the most all time wins, but since the AP poll started in 1936, Michigan has only been ranked #1 (34 times) whereas Nebraska has (70 times). Michigan has 3 NC, Nebraska 5. Nebraska has more bowl appearances, bowl wins, conference titles... I see that and go

Don't get me wrong, I think all-time and historically speaking Michigan should absolutely be on the list... but the stat of how many times they have been ranked #1 alone demonstrates as an example of how comparable their competitiveness has been relatively speaking since the start of the AP. Everyone else in the top ten has some semblance of structure from that stat to imply why they are where they are. Top 5 are relatively close to each other. Nebraska unfortunately, based on number looks like a gatekeeper to the top 5... the only exception is that for some reason Michigan is ahead even though they have less than half.

BAMA - 103
Ohio St - 105
Notre Dame - 98
USC - 91
OU - 101
Michigan - 34 - um, what.
Nebraska - 70
Texas - 45
Penn St - 21
LSU - 30


I know this list doesn't matter and I know it isn't based solely on that statistic I pointed out, but when I think of Michigan.. I think of a team that is typically good, but rarely great and I think about their rivalry with Ohio State. Nothing stands out to me. When I think about Nebraska, I think decades of domination, greatest team of all time ('95), rivalry with OU (game of the century), I think of one of the biggest beat downs in a national championship game (62-24 over Florida).

But call me biased lol.

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So what you're saying is -- the rankers have a crazy bias against Michigan.....

I'm just going to point this out -- while OSU has absolutely dominated us for about two decades now, Michigan's all time record with them was able to withstand two decades of pure domination and Michigan still holds a winning record vs. them.

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:

So what you're saying is -- the rankers have a crazy bias against Michigan.....

I'm just going to point this out -- while OSU has absolutely dominated us for about two decades now, Michigan's all time record with them was able to withstand two decades of pure domination and Michigan still holds a winning record vs. them.

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Sure, but Ohio State is not the end-all be-all of defining a quality team. Not to mention, if you look at the breakdown...

Ohio St Michigan

ACC 59 40
SEC 38 39
Big12 26 11
PAC12 88 77

Ohio St has played 19 more ACC opponents than Michigan, 15 more Big12 opponents, and 11 more PAC12 opponents. I left out the Big Ten for obvious reasons. Michigan only beats out Ohio St on one conference (the SEC) and that is only by 1 game. Point being is that competition matters, Michigan is one of the oldest college football schools, to talk about being in the top 5 of all time... you need more than most wins in my opinion. As I showed above, Ohio State has played more cross conference power 5 opponents and that matters in my opinion.

Michigan is an established brand, so as for the bias... I think it is more of a benefit of the doubt. I think there is a lot of parity and bias in terms of favoritism to established brands, the blue bloods of college football if you will. I feel this way with Notre Dame pretty much every year (no offense to ND fans). I think Texas gets a wink and nod more than they should as well. Same goes for Alabama last year as they should not have been in the playoff in my opinion. Hell I would say the same about Nebraska two years ago when we were ranked in the top 10 half way through the season. So it isn't JUST Michigan.

Eh, I'd swap TN and LSU...just nitpicking of course.

Winsipedia - LSU Tigers vs. Tennessee Volunteers football series history

Here's the All-time winning records for the original 20 teams against the current 130
FBS schools all-time.

It does change some.

1- Ohio St 72.6
2- Alabama 71.4
3- Mich 71.3
4- Oklahoma 71.0
5- Notre Dame 69.7
6- USC 69.3
7- Texas 69.1
8- Penn St 67.7
9- Nebraska 67.5
10-Fla State 66.3
11-Tenn 63.6
12-Georgia 62.8
13-LSU 62.7
14-Miami 61-3
15-Auburn 59.4
16-UCLA 59.3
17-Florida 59.0
18-Washington 57.1
19-Clemson 56.5
20-Tex AM 56.0

mcubed.net : NCAA Football : Series records

Here is what's most important.
Seriously.


I-A Wins 1936-2017

NolePride said:

Here's the All-time winning records for the original 20 teams against the current 130
FBS schools all-time.

It does change some.

1- Ohio St 72.6
2- Alabama 71.4
3- Mich 71.3
4- Oklahoma 71.0
5- Notre Dame 69.7
6- USC 69.3
7- Texas 69.1
8- Penn St 67.7
9- Nebraska 67.5
10-Fla State 66.3
11-Tenn 63.6
12-Georgia 62.8
13-LSU 62.7
14-Miami 61-3
15-Auburn 59.4
16-UCLA 59.3
17-Florida 59.0
18-Washington 57.1
19-Clemson 56.5
20-Tex AM 56.0

mcubed.net : NCAA Football : Series records

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Ill allow this