Your Top 25 MLB Players of All-Time

[BallsOfFurry]

If you notice, Walter Johnson didn't make my list. Why is it that every time you quote me, you stick your foot in your mouth?

And why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

We were discussing Johnson when your sad little ego made you jump in.

 

[Chewbaccer]

We were discussing Johnson when your sad little ego made you jump in.

You were making retarded statement like you always do.

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

So that introduces the question if we are going to compare pitchers based on longevity, wins and strikeouts.

A modern rotation guy, assuming he pitches for 15 seasons, is going to have -- TOPS -- about 2/3 of the total numbers that Spahn had, and half of what Johnson had. Mainly because 30 starts now and 200 innings is considered acceptable. Wins are not even being considered a stat now.

So that being the case, the question is:

In 20 years, who among modern pitchers do we compare against the greats who come from different eras? And a different era for pitcher usage is really only about 15 years ago.

Good points, but Maddux has almost as many wins as Spahn.
Projecting forward it's hard to find another potential 300 game winner in a stage of his career to expect him to get there.
There are some truly great young starters now, but they'll have to stay healthy and pitching at all star level for many more years to even sniff 300.
Right now 300 is the accepted measure of greatness, stay tuned.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

You were making retarded statement like you always do.

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

Blame your mom for your sadness.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Blame your mom for your sadness.

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

You clearly don't follow HOF voting.
Trout has all of 501 RBIs, he'll need between 1600 and 1700 to be first ballot and at least 1550 to have a real shot.
He will get there if he keeps producing for another 12 years at a star level.

There have been many of HOFers that played less than 18 seasons. Many who played 15 or less.

Not many HOFers have started their career as good as trout did. Really nobody has.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

Blame your mom for your sister breaking up with you, she deserves better.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Blame your mom for your sister breaking up with you, she deserves better.

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

There have been many of HOFers that played less than 18 seasons. Many who played 15 or less.

Not many HOFers have started their career as good as trout did. Really nobody has.

You have to know you're grasping at straws now.
Bottom line is Trout needs 1100 more RBIs by today's standards, by the time he gets close it may well be closer to 1700.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

Maybe a lonely farm animal will give you a shot, a slumming donkey perhaps, good luck.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Maybe a lonely farm animal will give you a shot, a slumming donkey perhaps, good luck.

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

Geez, good luck attracting farm animals with that attitude.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

You have to know you're grasping at straws now.
Bottom line is Trout needs 1100 more RBIs by today's standards, by the time he gets close it may well be closer to 1700.

Jeff Bagwell made the HOF this year with 1529 RBI's after a 15 year career, but it took him 8 ballots and 8 years to barely squeeze in.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Jeff Bagwell made the HOF this year with 1529 RBI's after a 15 year career, but it took him 8 ballots and 8 years to barely squeeze in.

And trout is better than bagwell.

Not everytone is treated the same

 

[JohnU]

Projecting forward it's hard to find another potential 300 game winner in a stage of his career to expect him to get there.
There are some truly great young starters now, but they'll have to stay healthy and pitching at all star level for many more years to even sniff 300.
Right now 300 is the accepted measure of greatness, stay tuned.

Clearly advanced metrics will need to be much more useful and very soon. Not sure if the H of F voters are all on board with this and which metrics they will use. The eyeball test is still getting a lot of these guys in the Hall. The global game has changed all that. And starting when do we start evaluating players on the metrics? Or have we started?

 

[StanMarsh51]

Jeff Bagwell made the HOF this year with 1529 RBI's after a 15 year career, but it took him 8 ballots and 8 years to barely squeeze in.

You think that was largely because of his RBI count or because many of the voters suspected him of steroid use?

 

[Chewbaccer]

Geez, good luck attracting farm animals with that attitude.

Why are you posting under an alt account, @TeddyJackEddy ?

 

[StanMarsh51]

No way, Lefty G


While I seriously doubt some of what you posted.
Here are some absolute facts.
3.09 career ERA in the band box stadium era.
Fought in WWII and didn't play a full season till he was 26
Pitched at least 250 innings 16 seasons.
Won at least 20 games 13 times in the 154 game season era.
Had a 2.60 ERA at 42 years old.

I'd take him over any other post WWII starter and doubly so if he had those 4 prime years he lost to military service. If he hadn't lost those years he would have likely won 450 plus games.

It wasn't really as much a 'bandbox' era as you seem to think however....

In 13 of Spahn's 20 seasons (excluding the year he threw 15 innings), the league ERA was under 4.00, and if you look at Spahn's ERA+ (which compares his ERA to the league average) was 119, meaning his career ERA was 19% better than the average. Greg Maddux by comparison had an ERA+ of 132 and Randy Johnson had one of 135.

 

[Nosferatu]

I can't believe how low i've Seen Gehrig and Mickey on some of the lists, absolute insanity...

 

[Clayton]

I can't believe how low i've Seen Gehrig and Mickey on some of the lists, absolute insanity...

I gave them both bumps over their WAR.
You could always join in on the fun with your own list