Let's put this Warriors 'chemistry problem' to bed

[bksballer89]

Man, has your reading comprehension gone out the window too? Must be a rough day for you.

I already conceded that McCaw is not ready for a role yet. But your argument has taken a completely different tangent. Instead of arguing with posters about the merits of your initial argument, you've gone on to argue a guy, who you self-admit never watched play, is a bad player.

That's really the worst of the worst. At least before you were semi-informed about a player. This time, you're taking blind swings and actually missing really horribly.

At least your arguments before had at least an ounce of merit. You're basically out here just claiming things off the top of your head. It's really disheartening and I expected better from you.

See that's your issue. You shouldn't expect better from Wiggy. This is who he is. He makes ridiculous statements without watching the games

 

[WiggyRuss]

See that's your issue. You shouldn't expect better from Wiggy. This is who he is. He makes ridiculous statements without watching the games

lol...because its a ridiculous statement to say the guy avergaging 2.8-1-1 on 38% shooting that got sent to the dleague is playing like shit?

alrighty then.

 

[CitySushi]

so just for the record- you think McCaw has been a good this year?

im not judging him on the scale of a rookie- becuase thats not what we were talking about--- as far as rookie 2nd rounders go- he is probably right where he needs to be

compared to the delusional expectations- and the thought that he would be a meaingful rotation contributor this year?--- cmon man- you know thats not even CLOSE to true at this point.

its why guys like Deandre liggins or Ian Clark play over guys like McCaw and Felder- McCaw and Felder without a doubt have more upside- but you CANT play clueless 2nd round rookies on a championship caliber team because more often then not they will piss all over themselves relatively speaking.

DeAndre Liggins-- long term- give me Mccaw or Felder- for the next 5 months? its not even close- you take DeAndre Scrub Ass Liggins 10 times out of 10.

Based on what I've seen, which is 99% of his minutes on the court, I'd say yes he's been good.

(Don't let your head explode just yet...keep reading)

Because, from the start, I've always acknowledged that he is a second round pick. My stance that he would be a rotational player was two-fold: 1) lack of depth for the Warriors at the guard position 2) defensive ability to get time on the court.

The problem with you is that you took that simple statement to mean much more than it does. On the surface any rational person could have deduced that the implication of rotation player does not in any shape or form mean SPECTACULAR. It means functional. I believed that second round pick, could be a functional part of the rotation. Because again of my two-fold logic above.

If you have 11 guys regularly play during the course of a night, guess what, all 11 are rotational players. Doesn't mean that the 10th or 11th guy are doing anything great or extrodinary. Maybe they're only needed for a spot up 3 attempt of a defensive stop. Point being, they're necessary to the game plan, which McCaw has been for the large majority of the season. For a team with championship aspirations, that's a HUGE win for a 2nd round player to be in the conversation.

Having Felder play in the D-League is not an indication of his skill or ability, it's an actual LUXURY the Cavs have because they don't need him to produce. They can focus on his skill and development. It's much harder for a player to reach a rotational level, without some sort of injury to pave the way, which it has for Felder.

Clark was initially put into the lineup, without any injury to pave the way. As a second round pick, he earned not only the coaching staff's trust, but the players trust which is infinitely harder to receive.

The reason why McCaw is having a good season isn't because of his stellar numbers, but because he was trusted(and still is) to play at the highest level despite where he was selected and who he plays for.

 

[CitySushi]

lol...because its a ridiculous statement to say the guy avergaging 2.8-1-1 on 38% shooting that got sent to the dleague is playing like shit?

alrighty then.

How many d-league games has McCaw played?

Again, just horribly uniformed.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Based on what I've seen, which is 99% of his minutes on the court, I'd say yes he's been good.

(Don't let your head explode just yet...keep reading)

Because, from the start, I've always acknowledged that he is a second round pick. My stance that he would be a rotational player was two-fold: 1) lack of depth for the Warriors at the guard position 2) defensive ability to get time on the court.

The problem with you is that you took that simple statement to mean much more than it does. On the surface any rational person could have deduced that the implication of rotation player does not in any shape or form mean SPECTACULAR. It means functional. I believed that second round pick, could be a functional part of the rotation. Because again of my two-fold logic above.

If you have 11 guys regularly play during the course of a night, guess what, all 11 are rotational players. Doesn't mean that the 10th or 11th guy are doing anything great or extrodinary. Maybe they're only needed for a spot up 3 attempt of a defensive stop. Point being, they're necessary to the game plan, which McCaw has been for the large majority of the season. For a team with championship aspirations, that's a HUGE win for a 2nd round player to be in the conversation.

Having Felder play in the D-League is not an indication of his skill or ability, it's an actual LUXURY the Cavs have because they don't need him to produce. They can focus on his skill and development. It's much harder for a player to reach a rotational level, without some sort of injury to pave the way, which it has for Felder.

Clark was initially put into the lineup, without any injury to pave the way. As a second round pick, he earned not only the coaching staff's trust, but the players trust which is infinitely harder to receive.

The reason why McCaw is having a good season isn't because of his stellar numbers, but because he was trusted(and still is) to play at the highest level despite where he was selected and who he plays for.

Codebreaker:
This kid will be a star! The f*cking Warriors got a steal in the Draft!

He just sent the game against Denver into Overtime with a 3 pointer to end the 4th.
And then hit a contested bank shot for the game winner in OT!
Not only in this game, but in the previous games, he had always the confidence holding the ball, shooting or setting plays.

He's performing better than Ingram this off-season imo, considering his team is loaded with superstars
He should be the one shooting the game winners instead of Steph or KD this season

Thoughts on this rookie?



TLANCE:

I think it is fair to be excited. The main "weakness" most can find with the Warriors is depth. They don't need McCaw to be a star, they simply need him to be a good rotation player and he seems ready to be just that.

His length and skill will allow him to fit in perfectly in the Warrior system. They now have 3 quality reserve guards which will help them navigate the regular season and survive injuries in the playoffs.



those were the first 2 posts on the McCaw thread...

CS- do you think Patrick McCaw has been a "good rotation player"? LOL...dude...has he been a "quality reserve guard"? LOL...cmon now.

for a 2nd round pick- he has been okay- kind of underperformed--- as a guy who people thought might be a "good rotation player" he has been a fucking unmitigated disaster.


here is my last question for you before i have to finish some work before leaving....

do you think Patrick McCaw should currently be in the Warriors rotation?

 

[CitySushi]

Codebreaker:
This kid will be a star! The f*cking Warriors got a steal in the Draft!

He just sent the game against Denver into Overtime with a 3 pointer to end the 4th.
And then hit a contested bank shot for the game winner in OT!
Not only in this game, but in the previous games, he had always the confidence holding the ball, shooting or setting plays.

He's performing better than Ingram this off-season imo, considering his team is loaded with superstars
He should be the one shooting the game winners instead of Steph or KD this season

Thoughts on this rookie?



TLANCE:

I think it is fair to be excited. The main "weakness" most can find with the Warriors is depth. They don't need McCaw to be a star, they simply need him to be a good rotation player and he seems ready to be just that.

His length and skill will allow him to fit in perfectly in the Warrior system. They now have 3 quality reserve guards which will help them navigate the regular season and survive injuries in the playoffs.



those were the first 2 posts on the McCaw thread...

CS- do you think Patrick McCaw has been a "good rotation player"? LOL...dude...has he been a "quality reserve guard"? LOL...cmon now.

for a 2nd round pick- he has been okay- kind of underperformed--- as a guy who people thought might be a "good rotation player" he has been a fucking unmitigated disaster.


here is my last question for you before i have to finish some work before leaving....

do you think Patrick McCaw should currently be in the Warriors rotation?

First off, why are you lumping me in with Codebreaker and TLance? They have their own opinions so I won't speak for them.

I think McCaw has been adequate. I wouldn't say good, but I wouldn't say bad. He has produced about as well as you could expect him to, I would estimate. I know it's probably not the answer you're looking for but it's probably the most accurate assessment.

There are times where he's looked spectacular. There have been times where he's looked really bad and lost. If you cherry pick both, you get an extreme stance on the player, which as of right now cannot be determined 30 games into his NBA career. But what you can get a feel for is his upside, which is clearly there. It's why people have raved about him and continue to do so from within the Warriors organization (and not just the message boards).

At this point, I do not believe McCaw should be a rotational player. The reason being is that the rotation is functional at this point and playing very well all things considered. But again that's not me saying McCaw is not worthy of being in the rotation. Those are two separate things. Believing someone is better for the job is not the same as saying he doesn't deserve it. Those can be congruent statements, but I'm saying that it's not mine at this time.

The issue I have with your assessment of him is 1) you haven't seen him play 2) you're pretty much directing this to rile up anyone who has said anything positive about him and 3) you're calling him garbage when it's clearly evident he is not.

 

[tlance]

It really is disheartening that Wiggy can't even back up his arguments anymore. Just hot takes really. Anyone know what's happened to him?

He is the Skip Bayless of SportsHoopla.

Intensely Strong opinions based on nothing but stats in a box score. When you call him on his mistakes, he simply repeats himself over and over.

 

[bksballer89]

How many d-league games has McCaw played?

Again, just horribly uniformed.

Don't waste your time bro.

 

[WiggyRuss]

First off, why are you lumping me in with Codebreaker and TLance? They have their own opinions so I won't speak for them.

I think McCaw has been adequate. I wouldn't say good, but I wouldn't say bad. He has produced about as well as you could expect him to, I would estimate. I know it's probably not the answer you're looking for but it's probably the most accurate assessment.

There are times where he's looked spectacular. There have been times where he's looked really bad and lost. If you cherry pick both, you get an extreme stance on the player, which as of right now cannot be determined 30 games into his NBA career. But what you can get a feel for is his upside, which is clearly there. It's why people have raved about him and continue to do so from within the Warriors organization (and not just the message boards).

At this point, I do not believe McCaw should be a rotational player. The reason being is that the rotation is functional at this point and playing very well all things considered. But again that's not me saying McCaw is not worthy of being in the rotation. Those are two separate things. Believing someone is better for the job is not the same as saying he doesn't deserve it. Those can be congruent statements, but I'm saying that it's not mine at this time.

The issue I have with your assessment of him is 1) you haven't seen him play 2) you're pretty much directing this to rile up anyone who has said anything positive about him and 3) you're calling him garbage when it's clearly evident he is not.

i just think that the people telling me he has been a contributor to the rotation when is is averaging 2.8-1-1 and gets sent to the dleague are just crazy.- thats my main issue- like seriosuly - they need to get real- it seems you have a levelhead- but people cmon now. If he was playing well he wouldnt all of a sudden lose all his minutes and get sent to the dleague. I mean smell the coffee.

id totally agree with you- the level he has been producing on is pretty close to what i would have expected for a 2nd round rookie on a championship team- a little run here or there- gets sent down to get some PT because he is the 12th man or so.....2.8-1-1 is probably pretty close to what an average second round pick does---- of course- there are certain second rouind picks that are steals.

but good rotation player"" at this point? LOL

i def do agree with you and Steve Kerr in that he should not really be playing right now.

 

[trojanfan12]

DeAngelo Russell is creeping up that list

He should be fine. He was playing well before he got hurt. When he came back, his knee was still a little sore and he didn't trust it. Plus, he was on a bit of a minutes restriction.

Over the past couple of games, the soreness is gone, he trusts his knee more and has played better.

 

[trojanfan12]

I expected better of you really.

Why?

 

[trojanfan12]

It really is disheartening that Wiggy can't even back up his arguments anymore. Just hot takes really. Anyone know what's happened to him?

Anymore?

 

[trojanfan12]

Sigh...I honestly thought you were better than this

Again, why?

 

[trojanfan12]

The problem with you is that you took that simple statement to mean much more than it does. On the surface any rational person could have deduced that the implication of rotation player does not in any shape or form mean SPECTACULAR.

And now we get to the root of the problem...expecting Wiggy to be rational.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He is the Skip Bayless of SportsHoopla.

Intensely Strong opinions based on nothing but stats in a box score. When you call him on his mistakes, he simply repeats himself over and over.

its funny to be called irrational by someone defending Patrick McCaw as a "good rotation player" when he is at 38% from the field, 2.8-1-1 and gets sent to the dleague- and has been stapled to bench since he got back.

 

[bksballer89]

its funny to be called irrational by someone defending Patrick McCaw as a "good rotation player" when he is at 38% from the field, 2.8-1-1 and gets sent to the dleague- and has been stapled to bench since he got back.

How many Warriors games have you watched outside of the Cavs/Warriors game? This is your issue. You're all about stats. There's a lot of good things players do that would never show up in the box score.

He's been stapled to the bench since he returned because he has not been unavailable. He was out Friday due to the flu and out Monday as well.

It doesn't hurt to do a little research before you make yourself look like an idiot.

 

[tlance]

its funny to be called irrational by someone defending Patrick McCaw as a "good rotation player" when he is at 38% from the field, 2.8-1-1 and gets sent to the dleague- and has been stapled to bench since he got back.

Did I say that?

I thought he could be a quality rotation player. Meaning nothing more than he plays a few quality minutes. Since I specifically mentioned his defense as his reason for playing, I still don't get why you try to make this about his offensive production or lack thereof.

As to the point at hand, you need to man up and admit you were wrong. You called me delusional for suggesting McCaw had a chance to be part of the rotation. Steve Kerr clearly believed that he could be, because he gave him the opportunity. That fact alone proves that you were not only wrong but way out of line to call me out. The head coach of the Warriors believed the same thing I did. The results are irrelevant. It clearly was not crazy to think he had a shot, because he was given one.

So, either stop taking shots or admit you were wrong. Choice is yours. Every time you repeat yourself without addressing this response, you just look like an even bigger clown.

 

[trojanfan12]

It doesn't hurt to do a little research before you make yourself look like an idiot.

He doesn't need to do any research for that. It just comes naturally to him.

 

[trojanfan12]

Did I say that?

I thought he could be a quality rotation player. Meaning nothing more than he plays a few quality minutes. Since I specifically mentioned his defense as his reason for playing, I still don't get why you try to make this about his offensive production or lack thereof.

As to the point at hand, you need to man up and admit you were wrong. You called me delusional for suggesting McCaw had a chance to be part of the rotation. Steve Kerr clearly believed that he could be, because he gave him the opportunity. That fact alone proves that you were not only wrong but way out of line to call me out. The head coach of the Warriors believed the same thing I did. The results are irrelevant. It clearly was not crazy to think he had a shot, because he was given one.

So, either stop taking shots or admit you were wrong. Choice is yours. Every time you repeat yourself without addressing this response, you just look like an even bigger clown.

Is Wiggy still taking folks posts out of context to pick e-fights? Pretty sure I said he wouldn't be posting in any more threads where he did this.

He'd be wise to follow the advice in your last sentence.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Did I say that?

I thought he could be a quality rotation player. Meaning nothing more than he plays a few quality minutes. Since I specifically mentioned his defense as his reason for playing, I still don't get why you try to make this about his offensive production or lack thereof.

As to the point at hand, you need to man up and admit you were wrong. You called me delusional for suggesting McCaw had a chance to be part of the rotation. Steve Kerr clearly believed that he could be, because he gave him the opportunity. That fact alone proves that you were not only wrong but way out of line to call me out. The head coach of the Warriors believed the same thing I did. The results are irrelevant. It clearly was not crazy to think he had a shot, because he was given one.

So, either stop taking shots or admit you were wrong. Choice is yours. Every time you repeat yourself without addressing this response, you just look like an even bigger clown.

TLANCE'S DIRECT QUOTE:

"I think it is fair to be excited. The main "weakness" most can find with the Warriors is depth. They don't need McCaw to be a star, they simply need him to be a good rotation player and he seems ready to be just that.

His length and skill will allow him to fit in perfectly in the Warrior system. They now have 3 quality reserve guards which will help them navigate the regular season and survive injuries in the playoffs."


thats your direct quote.

this is my original post:

well thats insane considering he is a rookie.

I ll bet you that Mccaw averages less than 12 minutes a game this season. Rookies almost NEVER help championship teams. 2nd round rookies pretty much NEVER. To hype this guy as an actual contributor as a rookie is extremely unfair to him and is also delusional.



last night McCaw played 1 minute. The most he has played in a warriors game since before Christmas.


I was right and you were wrong @tlance you are just gonna have to accept that.

2.8, 1-1 on 38% shooting, getting sent to the dleague, and losing all your minutes.....does that make you a "quality reserve" and a "good rotation player"--- DIRECT quotes from your post?

obviously not. Thanks for playing though

i mean- unless you want to try and say that McCaw has been a "good rotation player" LOL.....


EXACTLY what i said would happen is happening- McCaw is not a contributor- as it is EXCEEDINGLY rare for a 2nd round rookie to be a contributor to a championship teams rotation.

In the last 13 games the Warriors have played- ALL GAMES MCCAW has been healthy for- McCaw has scored a total of 8 points and played a total of 81 minutes. That will give you absolutely stunning averages of 6.2 minutes and 0.6 pts per game.

a "good rotation player" - as the Direct quote from Tlance says? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA