The ten worst moves of the offseason

[megalodon30]

It goes beyond that though. I've gone to training camp and watched this guy and honestly nothing he did stuck out to me. He looked like a guy that struggled with many of the same issues he had as a rookie. Heck there were reports that he got outplayed during camp by Siemian last year on quite a few days of training camp. I do agree 7 games is not long enough to evaluate the guy and maybe he becomes more with the Texans but I see his ceiling as being an above average starter in this league. Not really what you want for paying $18 million a year for.

Well, I get that. I've been calling the guy Kyle Orton, Jr. since he was a rookie. But that doesn't mean we could say he definitively hasn't lived up to the hype. He's still young enough that it remains to be seen whether or not he'll be anything more than average. So while I agree, he looks average, he's still got plenty of time to prove me wrong.

 

[cdumler7]

Well, I get that. I've been calling the guy Kyle Orton, Jr. since he was a rookie. But that doesn't mean we could say he definitively hasn't lived up to the hype. He's still young enough that it remains to be seen whether or not he'll be anything more than average. So while I agree, he looks average, he's still got plenty of time to prove me wrong.

I've never said otherwise. I think he is in a great situation with O'Brien and his system. I think Osweiler can do just fine. I do think though with the Broncos watching him for 4 years in practice came to the same conclusion that I have that he just won't be much more than above average. If they thought he would be more they would have done everything possible to keep him. The Broncos have been wrong on evaluations many times so maybe Osweiler goes out and proves them wrong. Plenty of players have been late bloomers or needed a change of scenery to really put it all together.

 

[Clayton]

When the Texans traded up I thought they would be taking Josh Docston of TCU. He makes a heck of a lot more sense for the #2 WR. Instead they took the speedster. I do agree I think they went all in but did it for some pretty mediocre players and then didn't seem to evaluate those players very well to fit the system. Such as Osweiler's biggest problem with the Broncos was his deep ball. He was down right terrible at throwing it deep but then you go and draft a bunch of guys who are more known as deep threats than those who are great route runners and can take those 5-10 yard passes for big gains. Just doesn't seem like a great matching of talent.

The Chiefs incorporate speedsters and they have a QB that struggles with the deep ball but Osweiler doesn't have the rock solid game manager reputation that Alex Smith has. This seems a lot more like when the Rams brought in Nick Foles except with a really dumb contract strapped to the team.

Texans should make the playoffs next year. If this doesn't work out for them then there will be finger pointing.

 

[megalodon30]

I've never said otherwise.

Well, you did just say he didn't live up to the hype. After only 7 starts.

I do think though with the Broncos watching him for 4 years in practice came to the same conclusion that I have that he just won't be much more than above average.

Is that why Elway was willing to give him $12 mil a year? That's a bit much for someone that "won't be much more than above average." I know I wouldn't invest that much in a QB that I felt had such a limited ceiling.

 

[cdumler7]

The Chiefs incorporate speedsters and they have a QB that struggles with the deep ball but Osweiler doesn't have the rock solid game manager reputation that Alex Smith has. This seems a lot more like when the Rams brought in Nick Foles except with a really dumb contract strapped to the team.

Texans should make the playoffs next year. If this doesn't work out for them then there will be finger pointing.

I would say O'Brien's job is tied to Osweiler at this point. When a franchise spends this kind of money they expect big time results because of it. Just have to see how that pans out. Honestly I just see Osweiler as a somewhat limited QB. He doesn't have great athleticism. His pocket awareness struggles. For being a 6'8" guy he has a ton of passes batted down at the LOS because he has a very low arm angle when throwing. He doesn't have the strongest of arms. He is decent at everything but the master of nothing. That was the part that irritated me the most as a Bronco fan is I just thought at some point something would jump off the tape and it just never quite happened. He would have a good series here or there then go 3 and out the 3 or 4 drives. Maybe a full off season of being the starter can change that. I just don't know.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Is that why Elway was willing to give him $12 mil a year? That's a bit much for someone that "won't be much more than above average." I know I wouldn't invest that much in a QB that I felt had such a limited ceiling.

No, that's what Fitzpatrick was offered and the Jets aren't buying his SSS pixie magic either. In fact, it's paying a QB like he he's going to be in the mid 20's quality wise.

 

[cdumler7]

Well, you did just say he didn't live up to the hype. After only 7 starts.



Is that why Elway was willing to give him $12 mil a year? That's a bit much for someone that "won't be much more than above average." I know I wouldn't invest that much in a QB that I felt had such a limited ceiling.

Well Bradford is an average QB and he got paid $18 million a year. Heck Chase Daniel a career back up is getting what $7 million a year. So the Broncos in my opinion started their negotiations with him being somewhere between Bradford and Daniels. Not sure that is the resounding stamp of approval that you think it is.

 

[Clayton]

I would say O'Brien's job is tied to Osweiler at this point. When a franchise spends this kind of money they expect big time results because of it. Just have to see how that pans out. Honestly I just see Osweiler as a somewhat limited QB. He doesn't have great athleticism. His pocket awareness struggles. For being a 6'8" guy he has a ton of passes batted down at the LOS because he has a very low arm angle when throwing. He doesn't have the strongest of arms. He is decent at everything but the master of nothing. That was the part that irritated me the most as a Bronco fan is I just thought at some point something would jump off the tape and it just never quite happened. He would have a good series here or there then go 3 and out the 3 or 4 drives. Maybe a full off season of being the starter can change that. I just don't know.

I take back what I said about Foles. You're making him sound like Bradford without the injury baggage.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I decided to go through the whole list 1st.

1 & 2...I agree

3. $14 guaranteed is a lot of cheddar, but not sure I would have that one top 10. Solid player who will get a lot more targets than he did in CIN...

4. They really seem to have a beef against the kid...Jets needed a QB, he could bust, but not sure about that one.

5. Kid can play, but this is more about over paying...on that end I agree.

6. Maybe, but if they move him to G and he plays 10 yrs...they look silly.

7. Silly...if he flops, they can cut him loose with little repercussion...I might have gone QB higher in the draft, but that was a low risk move.

8. I tend to agree, but when you revisit the board, ATL would've reached for a pass rusher as well, but it would've made more sense if you don't know how Quinn wants to use the kid.

9. Agree

10. Veteran OL, young QB...if they draft OL in the next few drafts to be ready to take over, you can't gripe too much about them trying to get some experience in front of a young QB.

So 4 of the 10 I think they're pretty close.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Again I just want to know what was the better option the Broncos had that they could have done?

Everyone always has a better solution until, well... their asked to share their solution. This reminds me of when the Cardinals had to rely on Ryan Lindley (third stringer) 2 years ago in the playoffs. Ignorant posters were ripping Bruce Arians for not going after a better 3rd sting option.

People act as if there are so many quality QB's out there so just get a better one.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

To the list

If Cleveland is mentioned then Denver belongs.
Perhaps more so....defending champ and all

Huh? Osweiler was flat out overpaid. I think he'll 'succeed' at least the next couple years since he's walking into a cupcake division and has a ridiculous D backing him with Hopkins/Fuller to support, but yah. $70M was something Denver couldn't afford and why would they? I think Houston pulled the trigger a bit too quickly on Osweiler as a desperation move.

As for the Broncos... they have an elite defense and a pass rush on par with Seattle's 2013 team. All they need to do is run the ball and tell Sanchez to not put the offense on his shoulders and they'll be back in the playoffs (especially with Houston out for the Chiefs for a while). And they drafted Paxton Lynch to hopefully be the guy going forward.

What else should they have done? Trade for Sam Bradford only to watch his bones turn to dust in the HARSH altitude of Denver? Bradford would probably trip coming off the plane and tear both ACLs anyway. Chase Daniel was overpaid, RGKnee will collapse in Cleveland and can't imagine that stubborn dork and Elway getting along, etc.

That said, I really don't agree with PFF on Cleveland or Seattle's Ifedi. Ifedi wont even start at RT where he needs work. He's a fine prospect at guard given his size and technical limitation and Seattle traded down while spending a late 1st on him, which is entirely appropriate for a guard.

As to Cleveland, the QB market was abysmal this year. What else were they supposed to do? Fitzpatrick was probably the only viable option but seems like the Jets are not going to let him go and Cleveland might as well stock ammo for the loaded 2017 class. RG Knee is good for a few wins to keep the fan base they have left interested before he blows something out.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

6. Maybe, but if they move him to G and he plays 10 yrs...they look silly.

If he's a good guard, what's the problem? He was taken 32nd overall... not 2nd overall. If you can get an above average guard out of 32nd overall, that's a win.

 

[Money]

Everyone always has a better solution until, well... their asked to share their solution. This reminds me of when the Cardinals had to rely on Ryan Lindley (third stringer) 2 years ago in the playoffs. Ignorant posters were ripping Bruce Arians for not going after a better 3rd sting option.

People act as if there are so many quality QB's out there so just get a better one.

Funny...seems like two completely different situations to me. I would be applauding the Broncos if they were heading into this year with Sanchez as their 3rd stringer.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

If he's a good guard, what's the problem? He was taken 32nd overall... not 2nd overall. If you can get an above average guard out of 32nd overall, that's a win.

Agreed...I mean PFF would look silly listing that as a top 10 blunder....same with RG3, even if he busts...what do they have to lose?

Only 4 of the 10 seem legit imo.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Funny...seems like two completely different situations to me. I would be applauding the Broncos if they were heading into this year with Sanchez as their 3rd stringer.

You're missing the point. If you are going to talk about what a shitty move a team makes, share your opinion of what is a better option. He asked P Day at least 3 time to come up with a better option and got not no response.

Realistically, what other options did the Broncos have? Overpay for Brock? Grab RGIII? Sign Fitzpatrick? Manzel? Tebow? They are stuck with a bad QB situation because they had a hot steaming pile of shit to choose from.

 

[Money]

You're missing the point. If you are going to talk about what a shitty move a team makes, share your opinion of what is a better option. He asked P Day at least 3 time to come up with a better option and got not no response.

Realistically, what other options did the Broncos have? Overpay for Brock? Grab RGIII? Sign Fitzpatrick? Manzel? Tebow? They are stuck with a bad QB situation because they had a hot steaming pile of shit to choose from.

Right...so you are giving them a pass for ending up in a position to have to choose between Sanchez and a hot steaming pile of shit.

Tough choice btw.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Right...so you are giving them a pass for ending up in a position to have to choose between Sanchez and a hot steaming pile of shit.

Tough choice btw.

Call it a pass if you want, but if there is no better option, I have a hard time calling it one of the worst moves.

 

[PDay8810]

You're missing the point. If you are going to talk about what a shitty move a team makes, share your opinion of what is a better option. He asked P Day at least 3 time to come up with a better option and got not no response.

Realistically, what other options did the Broncos have? Overpay for Brock? Grab RGIII? Sign Fitzpatrick? Manzel? Tebow? They are stuck with a bad QB situation because they had a hot steaming pile of shit to choose from.

hold on.....I bitched about the Denver fan always talking about the QB play being the worst and insinuating butt fumble won't be as bad. I give a rats ass how many times he says it.

I responded to the list about.... Browns rolling into 2016 with RG III as the presumptive starter at QB
I added that if Cleveland makes this list then Denver belongs cause they are doing the same.

as to Denver....I woulda brought in two vets to compete. Pick a name but why would you roll with just Sanchez?

So...you say RG3, Fitz and the Kap types are a piles of shit but Sanchez isn't? That's funny to me.

BOY....Lynch better be all that and not the QB I saw in his bowl game. This could get ugly.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

You're missing the point. If you are going to talk about what a shitty move a team makes, share your opinion of what is a better option. He asked P Day at least 3 time to come up with a better option and got not no response.

Realistically, what other options did the Broncos have? Overpay for Brock? Grab RGIII? Sign Fitzpatrick? Manzel? Tebow? They are stuck with a bad QB situation because they had a hot steaming pile of shit to choose from.

DEN was in the middle of a rock and a hard place...cap wise, they couldn't do a whole lot more for Os even if they wanted to which wouldn't have made sense...as bad as he looked at the end in WAS...RG3 made more sense to me than Sanchez..but as it stands imo, they made out pretty good getting Lynch...hopefully Sanchez will turn over the keys with them around .500 and the new era starts...they got their ring...defending was always going to be tough w/o improving at the QB spot.

 

[cdumler7]

Right...so you are giving them a pass for ending up in a position to have to choose between Sanchez and a hot steaming pile of shit.

Tough choice btw.

Well I would say QB is the toughest position to try and prepare for in the future. Teams have done quite a bit to try and prepare for a player's retirement and found themselves coming up short. Such as NE when they drafted Ryan Mallett either hoping he would develop into Brady's replacement or could get them some great trade value down the road. Neither of those really happened.

The Broncos did try to prepare for Manning retiring by drafting Osweiler. He didn't pan out as much as they had hoped and then when they tried to sign him to what they thought was a reasonable contract a team came in and blew up the QB market. So it was either way overpay for a guy that has really proven nothing up to this point, pick one of the other mediocre at best QB's, or trade for another mediocre QB. Because there are so few quality QB's available in the NFL (I would say only about 15 actual guys you can say are quality QB's) finding one is no easy task. You are acting like there are just great QB's growing on trees everywhere. That just isn't the case. The Broncos did what they could with a bad situation with not a whole lot of great options.