Series Thread: 1) Golden State Warriors (73-9) vs 8) Houston Rockets (41-41)

[Shanemansj13]

Do you honestly think the warriors are 16-17 games worse without klay and draymond? Most of the warriors wins this year are because of steph. They could win 54-55 games with steph and without klay and draymond

Yeah, but bc he has Klay and his great shooting where they cant double him. You take him away and you let Iggy shoot the 3 all year and see what happens.

 

[CitySushi]

Do you honestly think the warriors are 16-17 games worse without klay and draymond? Most of the warriors wins this year are because of steph. They could win 54-55 games with steph and without klay and draymond

Absolutely.

Draymond is the second best defensive player in the league who guards 1-5. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't go small, where they're at their best. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't facilitate the high post offense they do when he and Curry are involved in the pick and roll. Without Draymond, the entire team changes...you realize that right?

I haven't even gotten started on Klay. Klay in addition to bringing 20 points+ per game to the table every night, he routinely guards the best back-court player for the opposing team. He's the one who guards CP3, Westbrook, TP, Kyrie, etc.

Not having Klay and Draymond, completely changes the overall game play of the Warriors. With the Cavs, if you took Love and Irving off the team, it doesn't change what they do. It's because their system is catered around Lebron. The Warriors system is NOT catered around Curry.

 

[CitySushi]

Nah, I highly doubt that. Curry isn't a one man show, he needs other good to great players around him to dominate, Lebron doesn't.

That's a bit of a reach. Curry would still be dominate, but not as successful. Just as Lebron was dominate, but wasn't successful with other great players around.

 

[Hambombs]

Klay is underrated, especially defensively. Draymond does the little things but it wins games for the Warriors. They are a low seed in the Western Conf without them.

So their lineup would be:

Curry
Iggy
Barnes
Speights
Bogut

Not a bad starting 5, but Speights isn't a jumpshooter and is far from the rebounder Draymond is. They have nothing inside really. It could get them a 5th seed or so, but not 57 wins.

Speights isn't a jump shooter ? Also 5th seed pretty much means they're as good as Portland. I disagree. 4th seed at the worst

 

[Shanemansj13]

Absolutely.

Draymond is the second best defensive player in the league who guards 1-5. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't go small, where they're at their best. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't facilitate the high post offense they do when he and Curry are involved in the pick and roll. Without Draymond, the entire team changes...you realize that right?

I haven't even gotten started on Klay. Klay in addition to bringing 20 points+ per game to the table every night, he routinely guards the best back-court player for the opposing team. He's the one who guards CP3, Westbrook, TP, Kyrie, etc.

Not having Klay and Draymond, completely changes the overall game play of the Warriors. With the Cavs, if you took Love and Irving off the team, it doesn't change what they do. It's because their system is catered around Lebron. The Warriors system is NOT catered around Curry.

Exactly. The Warriors are all about team, that is what has made their success. While Lebron is a team player a lot of the Cavs success is off of 1-on-1 play or Lebron making plays. Plus the fact Lebron is used to it, his whole career, Steph isn't. It is the Warriors system that has made their success and all that changes when you take Draymond and Klay out of that system.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Speights isn't a jump shooter ? Also 5th seed pretty much means they're as good as Portland. I disagree. 4th seed at the worst

*IS

 

[Hambombs]

Absolutely.

Draymond is the second best defensive player in the league who guards 1-5. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't go small, where they're at their best. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't facilitate the high post offense they do when he and Curry are involved in the pick and roll. Without Draymond, the entire team changes...you realize that right?

I haven't even gotten started on Klay. Klay in addition to bringing 20 points+ per game to the table every night, he routinely guards the best back-court player for the opposing team. He's the one who guards CP3, Westbrook, TP, Kyrie, etc.

Not having Klay and Draymond, completely changes the overall game play of the Warriors. With the Cavs, if you took Love and Irving off the team, it doesn't change what they do. It's because their system is catered around Lebron. The Warriors system is NOT catered around Curry.

Draymond would hurt for sure but I think klay has always been a little overrated. He's not as good of a defender people think he is. Advanced stats say that too that he's not that good defensively. Also draymond does everything. Always been underrated IMO. Minus him would hurt way more than klay

 

[LAD]

Absolutely.

Draymond is the second best defensive player in the league who guards 1-5. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't go small, where they're at their best. Without Draymond, the Warriors can't facilitate the high post offense they do when he and Curry are involved in the pick and roll. Without Draymond, the entire team changes...you realize that right?

I haven't even gotten started on Klay. Klay in addition to bringing 20 points+ per game to the table every night, he routinely guards the best back-court player for the opposing team. He's the one who guards CP3, Westbrook, TP, Kyrie, etc.

Not having Klay and Draymond, completely changes the overall game play of the Warriors. With the Cavs, if you took Love and Irving off the team, it doesn't change what they do. It's because their system is catered around Lebron. The Warriors system is NOT catered around Curry.

I just find the whole idea of comparing the Warriors team to the Cavs without each team's respective best player funny considering in Cleveland they're referred to as the 'Big 3' yet without LBJ they barely can win 1. That IMO speaks volumes and also clarifies why they're in different tiers.

 

[LAD]

Draymond would hurt for sure but I think klay has always been a little overrated. He's not as good of a defender people think he is. Advanced stats say that too that he's not that good defensively. Also draymond does everything. Always been underrated IMO. Minus him would hurt way more than klay

I have to disagree. I think Klay is an OUSTANDING defender at his position. There aren't many guards that are his size or that can move their fee like he can. That is the very part of his game that's under rated by a landslide.

 

[Hambombs]

I just find the whole idea of comparing the Warriors team to the Cavs without each team's respective best player funny considering in Cleveland they're referred to as the 'Big 3' yet without LBJ they barely can win 1. That IMO speaks volumes and also clarifies why they're in different tiers.

Lol it's funny to me too. I was talking to a few people at the gym arguing about lebron joining star studded teams, and then I say " curry is with two stars " then the guy says to me that klay and draymond are not real all stars.... Lmao

 

[Hambombs]

I have to disagree. I think Klay is an OUSTANDING defender at his position. There aren't many guards that are his size or that can move their fee like he can. That is the very part of his game that's under rated by a landslide.

RPM doesn't agree. He's always neutral or slightly negative in that department but I think he gives effort but I don't think he's a great defender like people think. Draymond is a dominant defender though.

 

[LAD]

Lol it's funny to me too. I was talking to a few people at the gym arguing about lebron joining star studded teams, and then I say " curry is with two stars " then the guy says to me that klay and draymond are not real all stars.... Lmao

Yea it's really ridiculous.

 

[Montalban]

Respectfully disagree.

Yes you are absolutely correct in that Draymond is not more than a 3rd or 4th SCORING option. But if you limit his value to scoring, you're taking a very narrow approach to the game of basketball.

Even though Curry is the Point Guard on this team, Draymond is the facilitator. Take this view, if you have a PG who averages 14.0 pts and 7.4 assists during a season, that's a great year for a starting point guard. But then you also factor in he averages 9.5 rebounds a game. Oh and he also happens to be the second best defender in the NBA.

Make no mistake, Draymond is the second option on this team. Klay is the second scoring option, but for the team, Draymond is next in line to get the ball after Steph. Draymond has been referred to as the MVP of this team, while Steph is the MVP of the league. He is what allows the Warriors to go small. He is what allows the Warriors to dominate in the pick and roll. He's the one who can stretch the court to bring bigs out to space the court. He's also the one who guards everyone from 1-5. He's the leader on the team in assists and rebounds (think about how crazy that really is).

Draymond is not a guy you plug in and say "get me 20 points a game". He's a guy you can build a team around conceptually because of all the things he does well. People who say he's overrated have a hard time grasping game planning because they only see players in one on one comparisons. Put it this way, would you rather build a team around Carmelo or Draymond?

Nonsense.

 

[Montalban]

The dude is pretty damn good

He is a good player and has a valuable role on the team.

 

[Montalban]

Yea it's really ridiculous.

The Dubs without Curry are like the Bulls were without Jordan. This team would compare to when the Bulls only had Kukoc and Pippen. Good but couldn't get over the hump.

 

[CitySushi]

RPM doesn't agree. He's always neutral or slightly negative in that department but I think he gives effort but I don't think he's a great defender like people think. Draymond is a dominant defender though.

RPM is a bit skewed because Klay never has a "night off" against teams. He guards Harden one night, then Westbrook the next. He guards CP3 then the next night has to guard Wade. He doesn't get to guard Roberson who would significantly boost his metrics for points against, etc.

 

[Montalban]

Who is saying that? Also it would be a pretty competitive series vs clips actually if they were healthy. You act like Livingston isn't on the team

Livingston is a good backup. His minutes need to be limited and he has no outside shot. He's an automatic mismatch for the guy guarding him because of his size and the fact that he releases his shot at the very top of his reach, but he can be handled. Curry can either take over a game or make it possible, just through his presence on the court, for another teammate to.

 

[LAD]

The Dubs without Curry are like the Bulls were without Jordan. This team would compare to when the Bulls only had Kukoc and Pippen. Good but couldn't get over the hump.

Funny you would draw that comparison when MJ didn't miss a game the entire season that they went 72-10- yet Curry missed 3 games this season and they still broke the record. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but you make a left turn when you represent your opinion as fact.

 

[CitySushi]

Funny you would draw that comparison when MJ didn't miss a game the entire season that they went 72-10- yet Curry missed 3 games this season and they still broke the record. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but you make a left turn when you represent your opinion as fact.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about me here. Apparently when you put someone on ignore, even when you quote them, it doesn't show up. I blocked some idiot, so when you quoted him, it didn't show up. Thought you were talking about my posts.

 

[LAD]

Where did I state any of that?

No, not you. If I quoted you that was by mistake.