Woj: Cavs fire David Blatt

[WiggyRuss]

The best thing Izzo did was turn that Cavs job down. I'm glad he stayed put in Lansing.

yah for sure-- that would have been rough for him. I am sure he is glad he did his due dilligence and kinda figured he would not be coaching LeBron. Would have been interesting

 

[trojanfan12]

actually he wasnt a cav- even if in name only- he was an unrestricted free agent. just saying...however- if LeBron was like- ill come back if you fire brown- you think gilbert hesitates a second? obviously lebron was not coming back if the love child between Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson was hired to coach the team.

Either way, there's no denying that Brown was fired and Scott hired in an attempt to appease Lebron. He hadn't signed with anyone and most believed that he was going to stay in Cleveland.

Scott was a former player who had finals experience as both a player and coach, it was believed at the time that was what Lebron wanted.

As for whether or not Brown should have been fired, his overall record at the time says no. His inability to come up with an offense that wasn't all Lebron all the time says yes.

 

[Mecca]

I hear all this stuff about how the Clips are gonna have to make decision after this season - blah blah blah - that if those core of Griffin and Paul doesnt do something they have to make a move

I kinda think that is total BS

its HARD to win a title- i dont know howit would get easiser trading one of those 2 guys- Dirk stayed in Dallas forever- and got 1 title- i na year when the league was down a little and it was worth it

I dont care if Paul and Blake dont win a title for the next 4 years -until Paul starts to decline i haveno clue whyd you trade either one of those guys.

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[Mecca]

I hear all this stuff about how the Clips are gonna have to make decision after this season - blah blah blah - that if those core of Griffin and Paul doesnt do something they have to make a move

I kinda think that is total BS

its HARD to win a title- i dont know howit would get easiser trading one of those 2 guys- Dirk stayed in Dallas forever- and got 1 title- i na year when the league was down a little and it was worth it

I dont care if Paul and Blake dont win a title for the next 4 years -until Paul starts to decline i haveno clue whyd you trade either one of those guys.

THe problem is that it might be out of their hands.

Blake's deal is up in another year.

So, they have to strike gold this Summer or think about trading him.

We need a small forward that can shoot.

The perfect guy is Chandler Parsons, who is a free agent this summer with his.opt out.

But, he would never come here after the Jordan fiasco.

 

[trojanfan12]

OK. Lets' hear from everyone who wants to defend the Mike Brown firing. Or the Silas firing? Please come forward and tell us of the great injustice.

Anyone? Anyone?

Why are you trying to change the topic? The topic isn't whether or not Brown was treated fairly, it's whether or not Blatt was. The only similarity between the way Brown was treated and the way Blatt was treated is that both were fired to appease Lebron. But since you're one of 2 sane Cavs posters on here, I'll play along.

I don't remember enough about Silas to say for certain if he deserved it or not. As for Brown, as I said in a previous post, his won/loss record in Cleveland says no. The fact that he could never come up with an offense that wasn't all Lebron, all the time says yes.

Also, you are missing the point of why people are bothered by Blatt's firing. The biggest difference between Brown and Blatt is that Brown was actually given a fair shot. Blatt wasn't.

Brown was given what? 6 years? Blatt was given 1.5 years. Can you really not see the difference?

 

[gordontrue]

Why are you trying to change the topic? The topic isn't whether or not Brown was treated fairly, it's whether or not Blatt was. The only similarity between the way Brown was treated and the way Blatt was treated is that both were fired to appease Lebron. But since you're one of 2 sane Cavs posters on here, I'll play along.

I don't remember enough about Silas to say for certain if he deserved it or not. As for Brown, as I said in a previous post, his won/loss record in Cleveland says no. The fact that he could never come up with an offense that wasn't all Lebron, all the time says yes.

Also, you are missing the point of why people are bothered by Blatt's firing. The biggest difference between Brown and Blatt is that Brown was actually given a fair shot. Blatt wasn't.

Brown was given what? 6 years? Blatt was given 1.5 years. Can you really not see the difference?

I'm not changing the topic...

I was referring to comments about LeBron being a coach killer in general.

Turnup said something about "who can name the coaches not fired while coaching LeBron". Then there was discussion as to whether Mike Brown was technically fired "while coaching" LeBron or not.

It seems silly to me to try to paint a picture of LeBron getting all his coaches fired.... unless you're willing to criticize at least more than one of those firings.

 

[trojanfan12]

I dont care if Paul and Blake dont win a title for the next 4 years -until Paul starts to decline i haveno clue whyd you trade either one of those guys.

I don't think you trade CP3. But I could see trading Griffin. So far, Griffin has shown tremendous physical ability, but no heart. He seems more interested in making SportsCenter highlights than he is in making the finals. You can't have a guy like that as one of the focal points of your team.

I could see him being traded for someone who brings a little more toughness.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Why are you trying to change the topic? The topic isn't whether or not Brown was treated fairly, it's whether or not Blatt was. The only similarity between the way Brown was treated and the way Blatt was treated is that both were fired to appease Lebron. But since you're one of 2 sane Cavs posters on here, I'll play along.

I don't remember enough about Silas to say for certain if he deserved it or not. As for Brown, as I said in a previous post, his won/loss record in Cleveland says no. The fact that he could never come up with an offense that wasn't all Lebron, all the time says yes.

Also, you are missing the point of why people are bothered by Blatt's firing. The biggest difference between Brown and Blatt is that Brown was actually given a fair shot. Blatt wasn't.

Brown was given what? 6 years? Blatt was given 1.5 years. Can you really not see the difference?

yah he was responding to Turnups comment i believe:

TurnUpTheHeat Beasley Round 4 Please





Today's riddle.
Name every NBA coach other than Spoelstra who wasn't fired while coaching LeBron.




the only coach that LeBron has ever even had a hand in getting fired was Blatt- and its been documented ad nauseum the fact that the problems were WAAAAAAAAAAAY bigger than just LeBron.

 

[trojanfan12]

I'm not changing the topic...

I was referring to comments about LeBron being a coach killer in general.

Turnup said something about "who can name the coaches not fired while coaching LeBron". Then there was discussion as to whether Mike Brown was technically fired "while coaching" LeBron or not.

It seems silly to me to try to paint a picture of LeBron getting all his coaches fired.... unless you're willing to criticize at least more than one of those firings.

I don't think anyone on here is seriously calling Lebron a coach killer, that's a media thing. Like I said, I see him as more of a coach hater. The fact remains that no one can name a coach that Lebron has actually liked and hasn't had some kind of problem with outside of Lue and even Wiggy isn't sure if Lebron will continue to like and support Lue.

Whether Cavs fans and Lebroniacs want to acknowledge it or not, the fact is that Lebron has clashed on some level with every coach he's had and 2 of them were fired in attempts to appease him. That represents a problem.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't think anyone on here is seriously calling Lebron a coach killer, that's a media thing. Like I said, I see him as more of a coach hater. The fact remains that no one can name a coach that Lebron has actually liked and hasn't had some kind of problem with outside of Lue and even Wiggy isn't sure if Lebron will continue to like and support Lue.

Whether Cavs fans and Lebroniacs want to acknowledge it or not, the fact is that Lebron has clashed on some level with every coach he's had and 2 of them were fired in attempts to appease him. That represents a problem.

like windhorst said in that article- for every coach that has kind of gotten a raw deal- there are coaches that have won big time and gotten big contracts...mike brown was living high off the hog from the Lakers- without LeBron he would NEVER have gotten that job and contract....its definitely a give and take being in that position- you win- you get a lot of money--- but you get a lot of blame, and a lot of scrutiny.

 

[Wamu]

the fact is that Lebron has clashed on some level with every coach he's had

Well he really liked playing for his HS coach Dru Joyce. That probably doesn't count though.

 

[Wamu]

Danny Ferry is the greatest Cav ever.

 

[trojanfan12]

Well he really liked playing for his HS coach Dru Joyce. That probably doesn't count though.

Maybe the Cavs can hire him if Lue doesn't work out.

 

[Wamu]

Maybe the Cavs can hire him if Lue doesn't work out.

I'm thinking if Lue doesn't work out it's either gotta be Joyce or maybe his HS coach his freshman year, current Akron U. coach Keith Dambrot (spelling?).

 

[trojanfan12]

like windhorst said in that article- for every coach that has kind of gotten a raw deal- there are coaches that have won big time and gotten big contracts...mike brown was living high off the hog from the Lakers- without LeBron he would NEVER have gotten that job and contract....its definitely a give and take being in that position- you win- you get a lot of money--- but you get a lot of blame, and a lot of scrutiny.

Yeah, it does tend to work that way. It became obvious when Brown was coaching the Lakers that his success was pretty much a lot more about Lebron than his ability to coach.

One thing that has to be remembered though, is that Lebron didn't walk into the NBA and start wielding the power that he has now from day 1. In fact, he didn't have the power he has now until Gilbert decided to turn over the franchise to him.

So, we really don't know if Brown would have been fired sooner or if Spo would have survived Lebron's 4 years in Miami because he didn't have the power then that he does now.

 

[gordontrue]

I don't think anyone on here is seriously calling Lebron a coach killer, that's a media thing. Like I said, I see him as more of a coach hater. The fact remains that no one can name a coach that Lebron has actually liked and hasn't had some kind of problem with outside of Lue and even Wiggy isn't sure if Lebron will continue to like and support Lue.

Whether Cavs fans and Lebroniacs want to acknowledge it or not, the fact is that Lebron has clashed on some level with every coach he's had and 2 of them were fired in attempts to appease him. That represents a problem.

Yeah, I get that. I agree.

But I'm not just going to not respond to something like Turnups post, which was clearly implying that all of LeBron's coaches get fired because of him. At best, its an unfunny attempt at humor. At face value it is definitely calling LeBron a coach killer.

When I look at LeBron's list of coaches.... I don't see a bunch of guys that LeBron didn't get along with as much as I see a bunch of guys that were in over their heads. Less so with Spoelstra - who I think is underrated as a coach, honestly - but even he was a little in over his head at the beginning and sort of grew along with everyone else.

 

[LAD]

i never said LEbron had nothing to do with it...go back and look. Obviously LeBron wanted the change. But like I said- if the Cavs listened to LeBron Blatt would have been gone last January. The problem was WAAAY bigger than LeBron- it was the whole locker room--- and when you have a guy like Peter Vescey who is one of the best old school NBA reporters of all time tweeting that in the days before the firing that David Blatt said "Its either me or Kevin Love"- its hard for me to put it all on LeBron. Without a doubt if you are a coach and cant have a good working relationship with LeBron your gone- but it was a lot more than just that which led to Blatt's dismissal.

It's pretty hard to have a "good working relationship" when one side isn't interested in doing so.

 

[LAD]

by the way....Love in 28 minutes tonight goes for 21 points, 10 boards and 4 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals

It's too bad he can't play like that against other contending teams.

 

[LAD]

April 15th I said:

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I think Blatt is an intelligent guy- after watching Brown and Scott implement just absolutely DREADFUL offenses, and especially with Scott who is an old school guy and just not really meshing with the new-school NBA players- Blatt's at least respectable.....I dont hate Blatt and I dont think Blatt is the greatest in the world. --- if he does well in the playoffs keep him- if its obvious he is somehow holding the team back get rid of him- if Lebron, Kyrie and Love want someonone else- get rid of him- if they want him keep him-

If he does well in the playoffs? Getting to game 6 in the Finals isn't well?

 

[Mecca]

If he does well in the playoffs? Getting to game 6 in the Finals isn't well?

Most would perceive that as having a successful Season.

Perception is reality.

Reality is skewered when looking thru homer, or hater, goggles.