Rules Question

[uncfan103]

You can dislike the rule all you want, but that will get called EVERY SINGLE FUCKING time.

You say he did nothing that would look like a fair catch signal, and yet everyone else treated it like he called a fair catch signal. To which he was then able to run for a TD after because - everyone else had stopped on the play as if he called a fair catch signal.

The rule exists specifically for this. It's not the first time it's been called, it's not going to be the last.

It hasn't been called all year. He's been tackled. But even if you think rubbing your belly is a fair catch signal you have to admit the guy should've been penalized for running into him (which he wouldn't have done had he seen him signal a fair catch)

 

[4down20]

It hasn't been called all year. He's been tackled. But even if you think rubbing your belly is a fair catch signal you have to admit the guy should've been penalized for running into him (which he wouldn't have done had he seen him signal a fair catch)

The guy didn't make a real fair catch signal is why the other guy wasn't penalized.

He made a fake fair catch signal.

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

Yes he did, he moved his hand above his waist. You can't do anything at all like that as I said.

You are wrong once again. To make a fair catch, your had has to be waving above your head, so why would a belly rub indicate a fair catch?

If you believe the player can't do movements abouve the waist, then explain why it's allowed to wave players out the way?

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

Yes he did, he moved his hand above his waist. You can't do anything at all like that as I said.

You are wrong once again. To make a fair catch, your had has to be waving above your head, so why would a belly rub indicate a fair catch?

If you believe the player can't do movements abouve the waist, then explain why it's allowed to wave players out the way?

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

You can dislike the rule all you want, but that will get called EVERY SINGLE FUCKING time.

You say he did nothing that would look like a fair catch signal, and yet everyone else treated it like he called a fair catch signal. To which he was then able to run for a TD after because - everyone else had stopped on the play as if he called a fair catch signal.

The rule exists specifically for this. It's not the first time it's been called, it's not going to be the last.

Everybody treated it as a fair catch, because they assumed he would call it, with all those players running to him.

 

[4down20]

You are wrong once again. To make a fair catch, your had has to be waving above your head, so why would a belly rub indicate a fair catch?

If you believe the player can't do movements abouve the waist, then explain why it's allowed to wave players out the way?

Waving players out of the way is done in a downward/sideways motion. He moved his hand up.

No, it was not a legit fair catch signal, however you are not allowed to do any motion that can be seen as that and then try to advance the ball after.

Again - specifically for this kind of play that is the rule.

 

[4down20]

Everybody treated it as a fair catch, because they assumed he would call it, with all those players running to him.

Ok, I don't care what you believe. I'm done explaining it.

 

[uncfan103]

Everybody treated it as a fair catch, because they assumed he would call it, with all those players running to him.

That's what I thought too. But I think what's more important is that now we have a new story breaking in the world of college football.

BREAKING NEWS: Natural movements, now outlawed. They signal fair catches in which you can STILL be tackled!!

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

Ok, I don't care what you believe. I'm done explaining it.

It's ok to be wrong.

 

[4down20]

It's ok to be wrong.

except I'm not.

I know all this because Alabama had a similar deal back in 2009, so I've already had this entire discussion before.

North Carolina is lucky they didn't get a penalty for trying to advance the ball.

Valid Signal
ARTICLE 2. A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.

Invalid Signal
ARTICLE 3. An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B that does not meet the requirements of a valid signal (Rule 6-5-3).

As for trying to advance it:

No Advance
ARTICLE 2. No Team B player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after a valid or invalid fair catch signal by any Team B player (A.R. 6-5-2-I-IV).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S21].

 

[uncfan103]

except I'm not.

I know all this because Alabama had a similar deal back in 2009, so I've already had this entire discussion before.

North Carolina is lucky they didn't get a penalty for trying to advance the ball.

Valid Signal
ARTICLE 2. A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.

Invalid Signal
ARTICLE 3. An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B that does not meet the requirements of a valid signal (Rule 6-5-3).

As for trying to advance it:

No Advance
ARTICLE 2. No Team B player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after a valid or invalid fair catch signal by any Team B player (A.R. 6-5-2-I-IV).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S21].

You should've stopped while you were ahead because you are wrong. We were penalized. But, that wasn't a waving motion he made. You saw Javier Arenas clearly waving his arm around telling his teammates to get out of the and if you honestly believe that what Arenas did was similar to what Switzer did you need to get off your iPhone and start using the Internet on a 64 inch tv screen. In now way was he waving. I doubt you even turned on the video and just decided to argue just to argue

 

[4down20]

You should've stopped while you were ahead because you are wrong. We were penalized. But, that wasn't a waving motion he made. You saw Javier Arenas clearly waving his arm around telling his teammates to get out of the and if you honestly believe that what Arenas did was similar to what Switzer did you need to get off your iPhone and start using the Internet on a 64 inch tv screen. In now way was he waving. I doubt you even turned on the video and just decided to argue just to argue

Watched the video multiple times. Didn't watch long enough to see a penalty, only saw you complaining about the other guy not getting a penalty.

But hey, the refs called it that way - but I'm wrong. You got it.

 

[uncfan103]

Watched the video multiple times. Didn't watch long enough to see a penalty, only saw you complaining about the other guy not getting a penalty.

But hey, the refs called it that way - but I'm wrong. You got it.

youre argument doesn't even jive with the refs whose explanation was that he saw a fair catch signal. It clearly wasn't a fair catch sign and if you would've watched the replay yoi would've seen there is absolutely zero in common between this play and Arenas' play. To say you're right because the refs said so always makes you wrong, because again you're factually incorrect

 

[4down20]

youre argument doesn't even jive with the refs whose explanation was that he saw a fair catch signal. It clearly wasn't a fair catch sign and if you would've watched the replay yoi would've seen there is absolutely zero in common between this play and Arenas' play. To say you're right because the refs said so always makes you wrong, because again you're factually incorrect

I just showed you the rule where it mentions an invalid fair catch signal and that you can't advance either.

So you just keep on huffing and puffing.

 

[uncfan103]

I just showed you the rule where it mentions an invalid fair catch signal and that you can't advance either.

So you just keep on huffing and puffing.

that's how I know you never saw the replay. He clearly never waved...lol

 

[4down20]

that's how I know you never saw the replay. He clearly never waved...lol

He put his hand up to his chest, it was above his waist with 1 hand. It was an invalid fair catch signal.

You asked a rule question, you got the answer. Quit crying.

 

[uncfan103]

He put his hand up to his chest, it was above his waist with 1 hand. It was an invalid fair catch signal.

You asked a rule question, you got the answer. Quit crying.

No, you can't read you're own writing. It says an invalid signal is any waving signal that isn't valid. you came in here trying to hijack the thread. You know that there's no way you'd ever consider him to be waving if you were being honest. None. He wasn't waving. He made a natural move with his body.

The officials claimed they saw a fair catch signal. The officials said nothing about it being trickery or anything. My question was how can you blow the play dead and say you saw a fair catch signal when it never happened? You can claim it was invalid or any of that bullshit, but the official said he saw something that never happened. Which leads to the question...are they held accountable? How do those mistakes happen, etc.

Ignore the call and answer that question. Tell me how such egregious errors are made, because even if you don't think this is a good example you know glaring mistakes are made. Are refs held accountable, or fined, etc. what is the ncaa doing to solve the issue.

 

[Tin Man]

Correct me if I'm wrong:

This seems like a good enough place to bring this up. I've always wondered about this since this exact thing happens once a year or so.

So, in basketball, the ref will throw one arm up when a guy attempts a three, and then throws the other up if he makes it. This signals to the scorekeeper that a THREE is being attempted.

So, why the fuck don't we have the same thing in football for these situations… since clarity and player safety are so important?

When the ref sees a Fair Catch called, he can raise both hands and scream 'fair catch fair catch fair catch' to signal to all on the field that a Fair Catch is engaged.

This keeps the returner safe, right?

So, why don't we have this simple thing?

You're asking a lot of the zebras...

 

[Tin Man]

Can someone please help me understand a couple things about this punt return? It's following a defensive delay of game penalty for trying to guess the snap count.

My question (maybe former officials can help me out):
A) Why blow the play dead and say you saw a fair catch signal if you did not see a fair catch signal?

B) If you "see" a fair catch signal why was a kick catch interference or whatever penalty called when he was run into immediately after the catch?

C) why are officials this incompetent still allowed to officiate? Or are they just good at doing their job and we're trying to keep Carolina from covering the spread, or winning the game? Are officials held accountable for being terrible.


This is not a one time "mistake". These things are happening on a weekly basis and are not just screwing Carolina over.

Fuck it. It's just the baby blue Tar Heels. Nobody gives a shit about UNC football.





Oh. Heh. Apparently, you do. My bad. Never mind.

 

[ElTexan]

You're asking a lot of the zebras...

To call a fair catch when one is signaled is not asking a little even. It's bare nothing.