Who does Kiper have us picking?

[Sharkinva]

The only way the oline would be addressed is if we trade down. Which is looking very doubtful right now.

So like I said, we are going to have an exciting draft. But ultimately I think it will lead to us looking for O-line and a QB in 2016.

 

[deanpet21]

When Romo oline was awful Dez was still putting up numbers. Parker, Strong, and Perriman are all 1st round picks. Green and Funchess would be there in the 3rd but have huge questions marks on them. We are going to need a WR in 2016. Cooper is the smart and safe route right now.

 

[deanpet21]

plus Eli's o line was awful last year and look at what Beckham did for the Giants. You don't need a dominant oline to succeed in this league anymore.

 

[Sharkinva]

When Romo oline was awful Dez was still putting up numbers. Parker, Strong, and Perriman are all 1st round picks. Green and Funchess would be there in the 3rd but have huge questions marks on them. We are going to need a WR in 2016. Cooper is the smart and safe route right now.

True, but the Cowboys were still an average at best team. The O-line they put together improved their passing game by making their GROUND game one of the best in the league. Right now, we cant run the ball to the right side of the line. Generally when we try we actually LOSE yardage more often than not. If we fix the ground game, I think even RG# would be competent enough to make us NOT need to draft a QB next year. So IF we needed a starting WR come 2016, we would be able to draft one instead of saying.. .well Chester still sucks, we need o-line help and oh by the way, guess we need a QB too. As boring as it sounds, Scherff is the smart, safe and long term pick at the moment. I realize we probably wont take him. But in three years we will be complaining that we should have.

 

[Sharkinva]

plus Eli's o line was awful last year and look at what Beckham did for the Giants. You don't need a dominant oline to succeed in this league anymore.

Totally disagree. You have a dominant O-line and you can park any monkey at QB and still have a decent offense. If you have a suspect O-line, you are constantly playing from behind because you cant control the ball or put up points consistently.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes you can put up points. The Cowboys did two years ago. The Giants did last year. Yes a dominant o-line should let you run the ball to win games in the 4th qtr but you can win with an average oline. Do you think the Pats, Packers and Seahawks have dominant olines? no way.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yes you can put up points. The Cowboys did two years ago. The Giants did last year. Yes a dominant o-line should let you run the ball to win games in the 4th qtr but you can win with an average oline. Do you think the Pats, Packers and Seahawks have dominant olines? no way.

Seattle had the ONLY ground game that was better than Dallas'.. I would call that Dominant.

Come on man, I know you are against picking a boring guard with #5... but realistically you know its logical. Fix the LIne and all of a sudden the entire TEAM looks better.

 

[deanpet21]

look at what the Colts, Saints, and Pitt did last year. They put up major points.

 

[deanpet21]

Seattle was awful in pass protection. Its b/c of Wilson's scrambling and running that made the running attack and offense go. Just like what RG3 did in 2012. Same thing but the Seahawks have the dominant defense.

IM glad that you are now admitting that Scherff is a OG now. lol

 

[Sharkinva]

look at what the Colts, Saints, and Pitt did last year. They put up major points.

Sure they did... But all three have a LEGIT franchise QB who is capable of out playing their piss poor O-lines.

We.. DO NOT!!!

Without his Legs RG3 is crapola. Cousins can put up points, but panics like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs with pitbulls on his ass.

We were HORRIBLE putting up points despite having one of the better WR groups in the league. A legit Franchise RB. If we Dont have a franchise QB (which we dont) we NEED a dominant O-line.

 

[Sharkinva]

Seattle was awful in pass protection. Its b/c of Wilson's scrambling and running that made the running attack and offense go. Just like what RG3 did in 2012. Same thing but the Seahawks have the dominant defense.

IM glad that you are now admitting that Scherff is a OG now. lol

Dude.. I think Scherff would be a dominant RT, but an all pro OG. And in either case he is better than any O-lineman in the draft. And fucktons better than Morgan Moses is, was or will ever be.

And we cant run the college style offense because RG3 sprains his vag the moment he gets hit. When you have fragile QB, the best thing to do is actually protect him.

 

[deanpet21]

I thought red zone play calling had a lot to do with us not scoring TD's. Very possible Flowers gets drafted over Scherff. Dominant OT's get drafted in the top 5 in the NFL. Why do you keep brining up Moses? He was not ranked as a top 20 player.

I just think you are so wrong about Sherff being a dominant tackle. I cant wait until the draft. Nevermind our pick I really want to see where Scherff goes in the draft. Almost all of the top 10 teams need an olineman.

 

[Sharkinva]

I thought red zone play calling had a lot to do with us not scoring TD's. Very possible Flowers gets drafted over Scherff. Dominant OT's get drafted in the top 5 in the NFL. Why do you keep brining up Moses? He was not ranked as a top 20 player.

I just think you are so wrong about Sherff being a dominant tackle. I cant wait until the draft. Nevermind our pick I really want to see where Scherff goes in the draft. Almost all of the top 10 teams need an olineman.

See here is the thing, you think if he is drafted at 10, 12 or 20 it will justify your position that he wasnt worth us drafting. I think he will end up as a multiple all pro O-lineman who will be a 10-13 year starter and the kind of guy we will regret NOT drafting. So Flowers Might get drafted before him, that does not make him a better player. After all, plenty of players were drafted before Brady, Wilson, Romo, Sherman and a whole host of others.... but knowing what you do now, would you have given up a top five pick for any of these guys??

 

[deanpet21]

sure but you can say the same thing about olineman being drafted in the 3rd-6th round being all pros. Todays modern day NFL holds pass protection as a premium. why was the Central Michgan kid the #1 overall pick in the draft? B/c he could pass block. There is no way any other position from a divison two school would become the #1 overall pick if he wasn't an olineman. That is how big olineman are in todays NFL.

 

[Sharkinva]

sure but you can say the same thing about olineman being drafted in the 3rd-6th round being all pros. Todays modern day NFL holds pass protection as a premium. why was the Central Michgan kid the #1 overall pick in the draft? B/c he could pass block. There is no way any other position from a divison two school would become the #1 overall pick if he wasn't an olineman. That is how big olineman are in todays NFL.

The thing you and many others are apparently forgetting intentionally is... We actually need starting Lineman Now and for the future, not just guys who might be able to start two years from now. As i have said, I know Scherff would be anti-climatic with the fifth pick. And you would rather take one of the over hyped pass rushers, or even a WR who would be a third stringer. BUT the reality is, fix the line now and we can afford to take those sexy picks going forward. Continue to throw second rate talent at the line and we will continue to wonder how a team with so much talent at the skill positions continues to finish last in the division more often than not.

 

[redskinsfan]

Fowler
Cedric Ogbuehi
A.J. Cann

The more I look at it if we added David Cobb in the 4th round I would like this draft. Skinsdad we are drafting a Rb this year. It very well could be in round two. This draft will give us good depth at OLB, OT, and OG. Plus this would be the end to Ribeye. lol.

BUT

The question is by adding Ogbuehi this would mean that Moses or Compton will be released. My guess is Compton. No team carries four OT's. By adding Cann, we would now have four guards. Do we even carry four guards? I don't think so. So who gets cut out of the four guards? Does this mean the final straw for Chester?

This is why I don't think o-line will be addressed in rounds one or two. My guess is if we stay at #5 its Williams,OLB, or WR. 2nd round would be RB or CB. I cant predict who will be taken where but DE(Williams that's it) OLB, Wr, RB, and CB will be the positions addressed in the first three picks.

I know people will be pissed about this but I have major doubts that Chester or Levuno will be released after the draft. This is why the first two picks in this draft are going to be Cooper and Ajayi. Why? b/c it puts us in great position in 2016 when Morris and Garcon leave the team by getting cut or FA.

The top three players at #5 for us should be Williams, Fowler, and Cooper. One of them will be there. If all of them are gone that would mean MM is in play for a trade down. Does everyone agree?

Thoughts??

I can't for the life of me figure out how or why Chester is still on the team, especially knowing that cutting him will clear $4M of cap space. One reason may be that he's the only vet at that spot and that when/if we get his replacement, he'll be gone. But, once again, Gruden has said he's satisfied with him.

 

[redskinsfan]

The thing you and many others are apparently forgetting intentionally is... We actually need starting Lineman Now and for the future, not just guys who might be able to start two years from now. As i have said, I know Scherff would be anti-climatic with the fifth pick. And you would rather take one of the over hyped pass rushers, or even a WR who would be a third stringer. BUT the reality is, fix the line now and we can afford to take those sexy picks going forward. Continue to throw second rate talent at the line and we will continue to wonder how a team with so much talent at the skill positions continues to finish last in the division more often than not.

Like it or not, Scherff is the sexy pick here. And you're the one pushing for it. How do you like being that guy?

 

[redskinsfan]

sure but you can say the same thing about olineman being drafted in the 3rd-6th round being all pros. Todays modern day NFL holds pass protection as a premium. why was the Central Michgan kid the #1 overall pick in the draft? B/c he could pass block. There is no way any other position from a divison two school would become the #1 overall pick if he wasn't an olineman. That is how big olineman are in todays NFL.

Exactly. Scherff's forte is run blocking. He's got issues with pass blocking, thus making him an OG in the NFL. Because he's an OG, we get into the issue of value at #5.

 

[Stymietee]

Maybe the focus is too narrow, when th topic s our pick at #5. This draft is deep at a number of positions of need and at the end of the day we could see pieces of the chess board involved in moves that enhances/upgrades the overall product on the field.

I know that, right now, I am the only one putting forth this alternative viewpoint and have on many occasions taken the resulting slings and arrows of fellow posters. Conventionally, most would say that the more conservative move (s) would be to either stick with the selections that you have, or trade down to garner more picks..... maybe more than once.

That's conventional wisdom, but what if Washington goes unconventional, and the trading partners aren't any mentioned thus far on any thread? Such moves would effectively kill any speculative moves pertaining to that 5th pick, improve the team and ends up with a pick that still gives them a rookie starter.
Here's an example......I repeat....EXAMPLE!!!! Let's say Washington gets into the AP sweepstakes and trades Morris for Peterson and swap out the 5th and 11th picks. Win/win for both teams and the bonus.........blunts a division rival from getting better.

 

[j_y19]

Maybe the focus is too narrow, when th topic s our pick at #5. This draft is deep at a number of positions of need and at the end of the day we could see pieces of the chess board involved in moves that enhances/upgrades the overall product on the field.

I know that, right now, I am the only one putting forth this alternative viewpoint and have on many occasions taken the resulting slings and arrows of fellow posters. Conventionally, most would say that the more conservative move (s) would be to either stick with the selections that you have, or trade down to garner more picks..... maybe more than once.

That's conventional wisdom, but what if Washington goes unconventional, and the trading partners aren't any mentioned thus far on any thread? Such moves would effectively kill any speculative moves pertaining to that 5th pick, improve the team and ends up with a pick that still gives them a rookie starter.
Here's an example......I repeat....EXAMPLE!!!! Let's say Washington gets into the AP sweepstakes and trades Morris for Peterson and swap out the 5th and 11th picks. Win/win for both teams and the bonus.........blunts a division rival from getting better.

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. What a coup that would be.