Teams jumping on the advanced stats bandwagon

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Interesting article about how NHL teams are bringing on advanced stats gurus for additional analysis...

The NHL's Advanced Stats Arms Race Heats Up

 

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Teams with in-house stats personnel, based upon each club’s team directory, include:

■Arizona: Bob Teofilo (promoted this year)
■Boston: Ryan Nadeau (promoted this year)
■Buffalo: Graham Beamish
■Calgary: Chris Snow
■Chicago: Adam Gill
■Edmonton: Tyler Dellow (hired this year)
■Florida: Brian MacDonald (hired this year)
■New Jersey: Sunny Mehta (hired this year)
■NY Rangers: Jim Sullivan (promoted this year)
■Tampa Bay: Michael Pederson

 

[DevilishWon]

I'm a big believer in the W-L-OTL stat

 

[mooger_35]

I'm a big believer in the W-L-OTL stat

Bah... over-rated. I like the much simpler PTS stats

 

[DevilishWon]

Bah... over-rated. I like the much simpler PTS stats

heretic!

 

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I'm a little surprised that Spector didn't include the famous Tyler Dellow advanced stats piece where he stated that Ty Conklin was a better goalie than Martin Brodeur.

 

[IPostedWhat]

Hockey's statistical revolution is in full swing, and it's time to take the next step

 

[pixburgher66]

Adapt to survive, guys. Adapt to survive. I think a lot of teams have had a consultant to go to in the past few years, but now they want someone in house. Intresting to see how it shakes down in the next few years in regard to how often their opinion is headed, etc.

 

[esls79]

Is Chris Snow related to Garth?

 

[IPostedWhat]

I just found out that Sly's on board now as well.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Whoever wrote this article called Nonis "Paul Nonis".

Also, Dellow actually said Conklin is better than Brodeur? Glad he's with the Oilers

 

[davnlaguna]

Dean Lombardi, at an event , was asked about advanced stats. He said that of course the team uses them. But like any stat they are a tool but not the only thing the team looks at. ( <-- there is an English teacher screaming)
I am sure every team has somebody who crunches numbers. They may be called an assistant or a coach or a scout or something else, but it would be stupid to ignore the numbers. You know come contract time the agents will be pushing numbers that support their clients

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

Oh fucking great. Just like baseball, now I won't be able to talk hockey with anyone ever again.

"So-and-so sucks!"

"Analytically, your hypothesis is utterly false. Considering the context, So-and so's Sabre-baro-metrics rating has proven time and again that in a typical even strength 5-on-5 situation, his ability to create offensive plays trumps everyone else's on the team."

"Oh...right."

 

[Abe Vigoda]

Oh fucking great. Just like baseball, now I won't be able to talk hockey with anyone ever again.

"So-and-so sucks!"

"Analytically, your hypothesis is utterly false. Considering the context, So-and so's Sabre-baro-metrics rating has proven time and again that in a typical even strength 5-on-5 situation, his ability to create offensive plays trumps everyone else's on the team."

"Oh...right."

But he cant put the puck in the ocean standing at the high tide line

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Oh fucking great. Just like baseball, now I won't be able to talk hockey with anyone ever again.

"So-and-so sucks!"

"Analytically, your hypothesis is utterly false. Considering the context, So-and so's Sabre-baro-metrics rating has proven time and again that in a typical even strength 5-on-5 situation, his ability to create offensive plays trumps everyone else's on the team."

"Oh...right."

I don't mind analytics, but it bothers me when they are used as a crux to denigrate people whose lives are too busy to familiarize themselves with them. Like, sorry but you can't talk about hockey anymore because you don't know how to calculate a QOT. That isn't fun for anybody and just makes people look like enormous dbags.

In the reporting world, James Mirtle can suck a fat one. Telling me once a night on twitter that the Leafs' possession numbers are bad is enough. He literally reminds you every 5 minutes and is a hero to the analytics folks.

 

[Canuck eh?]

I don't mind analytics, but it bothers me when they are used as a crux to denigrate people whose lives are too busy to familiarize themselves with them. Like, sorry but you can't talk about hockey anymore because you don't know how to calculate a QOT. That isn't fun for anybody and just makes people look like enormous dbags.

In the reporting world, James Mirtle can suck a fat one. Telling me once a night on twitter that the Leafs' possession numbers are bad is enough. He literally reminds you every 5 minutes and is a hero to the analytics folks.

Their numbers are good Danny, when playing away games under the lights and the leadoff runner goes 2 for 4.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Their numbers are good Danny, when playing away games under the lights and the leadoff runner goes 2 for 4.

With a touchdown and a triple-double.

 

[Canuck eh?]

With a touchdown and a triple-double.

And they finish birdie, eagle, birdie!

 

[forty_three]

I'm a little surprised that Spector didn't include the famous Tyler Dellow advanced stats piece where he stated that Ty Conklin was a better goalie than Martin Brodeur.

Advanced stats have a place, but this fact right here is why you can never trust them fully.

Autopilot is great until that mountain is approaching fast and your GPS thinks it's 2 miles to the right.


One of my sporting heroes, former Orioles manager Earl Weaver was one of the early adopters of what has morphed into advanced stats. He had a room full of binders and notebooks on every player in the league (including minors) and what each batter did against each pitcher. That's it. How successful was guy a vs guy b. And it led him to pinch hit some guy like Lenn Sakata because he was 4-5 against some stud pitcher 10 years ago when they both played in the grapefruit league.

And it always worked.

That's what stats should be for. How do people match up. Not so announcers can talk about how a guy plays on the third Sunday following a waxing crescent moon when his team wears white socks against a team with a mascot who is primarily grey.

Some shit don't matter.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Dean Lombardi, at an event , was asked about advanced stats. He said that of course the team uses them. But like any stat they are a tool but not the only thing the team looks at. ( <-- there is an English teacher screaming)
I am sure every team has somebody who crunches numbers. They may be called an assistant or a coach or a scout or something else, but it would be stupid to ignore the numbers. You know come contract time the agents will be pushing numbers that support their clients

I am sure that they are not all crunching the same numbers and/or trying to answer the same questions with the numbers that they are crunching though. Doing proper statistical analysis is not just about calculating something.