The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[Duffman]

Cool. When are you going to accept reality?

 

[Mecca]

I have no doubt voter fatigue exists and all that is factored, if that’s the case then why is it not happening to Jokic here?

That’s the real question, Sir.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I have no doubt voter fatigue exists and all that is factored, if that’s the case then why is it not happening to Jokic here?

Because he's white.

There is no other logical explanation.

Jemelle should be on this one

 

[tlance]

Cool. When are you going to accept reality? It sucks that I wasn’t born a Rockefeller and I don’t have a 10 inch dong. But you move on and accept reality.

Jabronis who never watched him play are gonna prop up Jokic as an all time center based on this fugaze 3 MVPs in 4 seasons.

I have explained my point of view and my reasoning.

I’m not ever going to agree with yours.

Get over it.

 

[fightinfunbags]

And next year will be no different.

They will run the offense through him and he will rack up PG level assists because he always has the ball in his hands. He has no value on defense outside of camping around the lane and collecting defensive rebounds. And the analytics will love him and show him as the most dominant player the league has seen since Wilt. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I have no doubt voter fatigue exists and all that is factored, if that’s the case then why is it not happening to Jokic here?

The same reason why Nash won 2

 

[fightinfunbags]

I have explained my point of view and my reasoning.

I’m not ever going to agree with yours.

Get over it.

You don’t have to agree with me. All you have to do is own the reality that when people talk All Time MVPs is a big piece of the criteria.

 

[thunderc]

Wemby not getting defensive player of the year is going to be ridiculous too

 

[tlance]

You don’t have to agree with me. All you have to do is own the reality that when people talk All Time MVPs is a big piece of the criteria.

Never claimed otherwise.

Along with many other data points where Jokic isn’t going to fare as well.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Wemby not getting defensive player of the year is going to be ridiculous too

Clearly Jokic

 

[thunderc]

Because he's white.

There is no other logical explanation.

Jemelle should be on this one

I simply don’t agree with that. If that were true this would be his 4th in a row.

 

[Duffman]

And next year will be no different.

They will run the offense through him and he will rack up PG level assists because he always has the ball in his hands.

Damn, sounds like he’s a pretty valuable player if everything the Nuggets do run through him.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I simply don’t agree with that. If that were true this would be his 4th in a row.

What is your answer for writers completely breaking precedent for him

 

[Duffman]

Clearly Jokic

You mean Luka, guy is constantly getting praised for how great he is on Defense.

Or does holding someone’s Defense against them only matter to the other big white foreign born player?

 

[thunderc]

What is your answer for writers completely breaking precedent for him

They love the analytics I guess. If your reasoning was right he would have won last year too. That argument is as lazy as the voters are being.

 

[Duffman]

What is your answer for writers completely breaking precedent for him

He’s the most valuable player in their eyes.

 

[thunderc]

You mean Luka, guy is constantly getting praised for how great he is on Defense.

Or does holding someone’s Defense against them only matter to the other big white foreign born player?

I’ve never heard anyone say Doncic could stop his own shadow.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

They love the analytics I guess. If your reasoning was right he would have won last year too. That argument is as lazy as the voters are being.

I gotta lean with funbags on this one. Lazy is looking at VORP and not watching games.

If Jokic was that kind of player he wouldn't need Murray going HAM to beat 45 win teams.

He is a very very good player. But as an NBA historian this is sacrilegious to put him there at this point

Maybe the Nuggets will run off 3 or 4 titles (highly doubtful) and then I'd acknowledge he belongs on that level.

Right now this is dumb shit.

 

[thunderc]

On the defensive player of the year I mentioned, Wemby has 22 games with 5 blocks or more. Robert? 3.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I’ve never heard anyone say Doncic could stop his own shadow.

Facts

But it's much easier to hide a center on defense than for a guard/wing.

Bigs just need to play good help D. Jokic is a very smart guy. He sees the play and rotates quickly.

But he'd be cooked in a 1 on 1 in the 90s style ball.

It would be ugly.