Game Thread: CFP SEMIFINAL: Clemson (13-0) vs Ohio State (13-0) 8pm ET ESPN

[dtgold88]

Wrong cupcake, the play wasn’t over 10 yards, it was barely over a yard, if even that much. The receiver never attempted to tuck the ball, he did not defend against the receiver. Defending against the DB is actually part of the rule, you cannot argue against something that is actually clearly stated in the rule, no interpretation needed on what i.e. includes. He did not make another football move, he did not tuck it, he did not drag the DB, he did not cross the goal line. The DB knocked the ball out of his hands before a move could be made.

Did you say you think he went "barely over a yard" with his 3-4 running steps? I stopped reading after that. I get I cannot argue with irrational, but clearly I've tried here. That puts you on another level, though. Double secret super irrational?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

 

[rjshull]

So, if a WR makes a catch on the sideline with one foot in bounds with both hands securing the ball, it isn't a catch because he hasn't brought it into his body? I've seen more examples of this being incorrect than I can even count.

Ball was caught, ball was secured in two hands, ball was not bobbled, and 4 subsequent steps were taken. It's a fumble.

Keep on crying, I think it’s hilarious. A total of 4 steps where taken from the second the ball touched his finger to when it was dropped, there might have been 1 step after he secured the ball. Watch the freaking play again, his arms where extended the entire time and he never completely control the ball while defending against the DB.

 

[WizardHawk]

One thing is for sure, that play would have been a fumble for the entire history of the sport up until they entirely fucked up the meaning of what a catch is. Hate the rule if you like, but they have made it so this isn't a first and won't be a last example of the muddy water of this rule.

 

[rjshull]

Did you say you think he went "barely over a yard" with his 3-4 running steps? I stopped reading after that. I get I cannot argue with irrational, but clearly I've tried here. That puts you on another level, though. Double secret super irrational?

The ball was not under control from the second it hit his finger tips which is part of your 4 steps. In HS and the NFL you have to have complete control of the ball BEFORE steps are counted

 

[dtgold88]

Keep on crying, I think it’s hilarious. A total of 4 steps where taken from the second the ball touched his finger to when it was dropped, there might have been 1 step after he secured the ball. Watch the freaking play again, his arms where extended the entire time and he never completely control the ball while defending against the DB.

This is like a train wreck I cannot get away from just wondering how far you'll go with this. By the time you are done he'll have not even caught the ball at all.

He caught it, then took 3-4 steps. Even the replay official in booth acknowledged this.

But do keep going.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

 

[dtgold88]

One thing is for sure, that play would have been a fumble for the entire history of the sport up until they entirely fucked up the meaning of what a catch is. Hate the rule if you like, but they have made it so this isn't a first and won't be a last example of the muddy water of this rule.

I do think they've made it more difficult, but this just looks like one they outthought.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

 

[rjshull]

Did you say you think he went "barely over a yard" with his 3-4 running steps? I stopped reading after that. I get I cannot argue with irrational, but clearly I've tried here. That puts you on another level, though. Double secret super irrational?

Watch the catch again, the ball is out of his hands before his foot on step #4 touches the ground. The first step He was still trying to catch it, at most there was 2 steps after having the ball in his fingers, which is not a catch at any level of the game. https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.us...-state-a-fumble-return-td-against-clemson/amp

 

[rjshull]

One thing is for sure, that play would have been a fumble for the entire history of the sport up until they entirely fucked up the meaning of what a catch is. Hate the rule if you like, but they have made it so this isn't a first and won't be a last example of the muddy water of this rule.

That I agree with completely. There was no reason to mess with the old rule, and now this crap comes down to a convoluted rule book. And no matter what anyone says, this exact scenario is stated in the rule book. We need to scrap this rule and go back to the old rule.

 

[Across The Field]

Keep on crying, I think it’s hilarious. A total of 4 steps where taken from the second the ball touched his finger to when it was dropped, there might have been 1 step after he secured the ball. Watch the freaking play again, his arms where extended the entire time and he never completely control the ball while defending against the DB.

It's funny because he literally brought the ball down into his body around the 3rd step and was turning up field right before the ball was stripped. It was a fumble and you clearly didn't watch the play if you think his arms were extended the entire time.

 

[gohusk]

Tough calls. I actually agree with the targeting call though. Just keep your head up and there won't be any issues. The rules there to protect defensive players as well.

 

[rjshull]

This is like a train wreck I cannot get away from just wondering how far you'll go with this. By the time you are done he'll have not even caught the ball at all.

He caught it, then took 3-4 steps. Even the replay official in booth acknowledged this.

But do keep going.

That’s funny, you actually spoke with the replay official in the booth? I haven’t seen anything where the official that overturned it also called it a catch.

 

[rjshull]

It's funny because he literally brought the ball down into his body around the 3rd step and was turning up field right before the ball was stripped. It was a fumble and you clearly didn't watch the play if you think his arms were extended the entire time.

No he did not, the ball dropped down to his knees dumb ass. Jesus freaking Christ did you even watch the play? He never brought the ball into his body, he did not complete step 3. And no matter how much crying you do, the number of steps is not part of the process as IT IS WRITTEN!

 

[Across The Field]

Tough calls. I actually agree with the targeting call though. Just keep your head up and there won't be any issues. The rules there to protect defensive players as well.

Look at this:

He is so clearly going for the wrap, but Lawrence completely dropped his helmet down at the last second. His shoulder made contact with Lawrence's shoulder, and then the helmets hit. It's a hit that happens to ball carriers dozens of times every week. It was an extremely weak call.

 

[Across The Field]

No he did not, the ball dropped down to his knees dumb ass. Jesus freaking Christ did you even watch the play? He never brought the ball into his body, he did not complete step 3. And no matter how much crying you do, the number of steps is not part of the process as IT IS WRITTEN!

So what would you call him trying to bring the ball down and into his body? Is that not a football play? What do you call starting to turn your body upfield right before your stripped? Sounds like a football play to me.

 

[gohusk]

Look at this:

He is so clearly going for the wrap, but Lawrence completely dropped his helmet down at the last second. His shoulder made contact with Lawrence's shoulder, and then the helmets hit. It's a hit that happens to ball carriers dozens of times every week. It was an extremely weak call.

Here's the whole play:


He clearly lowered his head right before contact. Don't lower your head and you won't have problems. They need to have more leeway in what is and isn't an ejection but that's not the rule.

 

[WizardHawk]

Come on, you can't make helmet to helmet contact. That's modern football. You really can't do it to a QB. You can hate the rule, but that was a correct call under it.

The fumble reversal was bullshit, the targeting was not IMO

 

[WizardHawk]

The bigger problem I had with the ejection was how fast Lawrence was able to return to the game. There's no way he went through protocol testing and it looked like he may not have been sure what day it was after that hit.