The committee experiment failed

[Moab]

What I find really funny is people constantly complain that 4 isn't enough, they need to go to 8 because "team X" was left out and they had just as good an argument as.... Now, if they go to 8 teams, teams 9-12 will have the same beef, we should get to go because... Then 16 should go and we could say team 17 to 20 have no argument, but they will...so we keep going until what??? Everyone gets in and everyone gets a trophy...

 

[CJH9972]

What I find really funny is people constantly complain that 4 isn't enough, they need to go to 8 because "team X" was left out and they had just as good an argument as.... Now, if they go to 8 teams, teams 9-12 will have the same beef, we should get to go because... Then 16 should go and we could say team 17 to 20 have no argument, but they will...so we keep going until what??? Everyone gets in and everyone gets a trophy...

I think most that favor more always favored more. That said, just getting into playoffs doesn't get you a trophy

 

[WizardHawk]

There is an exception to this. Expand to 20 team conferences where there are 10 in each division, then the CCG is literally the expanded playoff that the expansion people wants everyone in each division plays eachother and so on

Yes, that's what I meant. 20 requires a ccg and you play everyone in your own division. It's the ultimate tie in game at year's end.

I'd still rather all 10-12 team conf on balanced schedules, no ccg and go to 13 games filling what is now ccg weekend.

 

[olympicoscar]

ohio state was left out the last two years, and this year we have several teams at 11-1, and several more at 10-2. georgia will also play lsu, so there's one more to add to the bunch.

you can't just assume a team can't win, otherwise there would be no need to play the games.

I agree. A move to at least 6 is definitely needed. I don't want it to become like college basketball, where Duke-North Carolina is just a battle for seeding.

 

[dtgold88]

So that there are still some marquee games is proof there are more now?

Do your own research before making the claim. Post your own link talking about all the improvements

You are the one who claimed teams schedule worse so you are the one who should be finding proof. Why would I look for proof when I don't believe it's true?

Day 2 and not one team?

 

[dtgold88]

We'll have to agree to disagree.



And? That's kind of the point. If we go to 8 teams with an auto-bid for the conference champ, it will be different (and better, imo) than what we currently have.



Again...And? Conference games should matter a helluva lot more than OOC games. Additionally, with teams scheduling so many cupcakes OOC, the 3rd stringers are already playing a lot in those games. That's their opportunity to earn some future playing time and in some cases, the only time they'll see the field in their careers.

I don't see how it makes the end of the regular season boring. You'd likely have games deciding or at least going a long way towards deciding the conference champ and therefore, the playoff representative.

And if they allow top 4 seeds to host round 1 games no one is going to risk losing the chance to host these games.

 

[dtgold88]

So, you'd be okay with keeping a conference champion out of the playoff because the rest of their conference is weak? How are they supposed to control how strong the rest of the conference is?

What if that team was actually the best team in the country, but they weren't allowed in the playoff because the rest of their conference is considered weak?

The "weak conference" comment actually hurts your argument.

I've never understood this and heard it with OSU in the past. If the team is really good and wins their games as you said, cannot blame them their conference cannot keep up. Seems to be what Clemson goes through now.

I mean, if we put the Patriots in the ACC are they a lesser team because their conference is weak?

 

[dtgold88]

We've been through this before, but autobids end college football as we know it and kills what some of us like about the differences at this level vs high school and pro ball. I'm not willing to give up the sport I love so you can have participation trophies. Nope, not into that.

You keep talking about trophies but no one wants any trophy other than the one handed out at the end.

It's not only about what you like and others can have a differing opinion. And that's all this is...opinion. You don't offer much that is factual.

 

[dtgold88]

Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't. There are 5 conferences and 4 playoff spots. Nothing disingenuous at all. Because the current system automatically eliminates at least 1 conference champion every season means the possibility exists.

And I'll remind you that USC was left out of the BCS twice, one time when they were the #1 ranked team in the country because the PAC was considered weak.

In Pete Carroll's 2nd season, USC was left out because they took 2 early losses to ranked teams before they hit their stride and most felt that they were actually the best team in the country by the end of the season.

No doubt it's possible even though not likely we have 5 undefeated teams, but do we need this to show something isn't right? What about multiple 1-loss teams which looks like we'll have this season (and many others)? It's a guessing game in many cases picking the right one(s).

 

[NU_FTW]

^^ This one is slow

 

[dtgold88]

Show me one case of all 5 major conferences having an undefeated champion.

Show me one case of 4 of them doing it.

Since 1940 there have been 5 teams that went undefeated in the Pac. Much of that time there were less than 12 games.

The odds of all 5 would have to be billions to 1 at least. Maybe trillions.

Show me one team whose schedule has consistently been worse in the CFP era.

 

[WizardHawk]

You are the one who claimed teams schedule worse so you are the one who should be finding proof. Why would I look for proof when I don't believe it's true?

Day 2 and not one team?

You are the one who claimed teams schedule better now so you are the one who should be finding proof. Why would I look for proof when I don't believe it's true?

Day 2 and not one article to support your blanket statement?

 

[dtgold88]

No they don't. Not even close. The same people claiming that autobids would who "be the end of college football as we know it" are the same ones thought going to the BCS and then to the current system would also "end college football as we know it". Yet here it is, as popular as ever.

And the "participation trophy" argument is bullshit. A conference champion would get their conference championship trophy. Other than that, they wouldn't get a trophy unless they won the NC.

You don't get a trophy just for making the playoff. So that actually makes your "participation trophy" pretty disingenuous considering the bowl trophies that will be handed out to teams that didn't win their conference.

Exactly!!!! Worse was when some of the same people talk about not wanting participation trophies "like the NFL".

Only trophies in NFL are for winning conference and SB. so 3 total. In CFB there are trophies for all the conferences as well as bowl winners. Participation Central.

 

[dtgold88]

You are the one who claimed teams schedule better now so you are the one who should be finding proof. Why would I look for proof when I don't believe it's true?

Day 2 and not one article to support your blanket statement?

you made the statement teams are scheduling worse. You've been asked to support your statement. You can't.

In fact, I did give you a couple teams who have improved scheduling in recent years (UF and Bama).

2-0 my favor

 

[dtgold88]

Interesting that I focus on something that is so improbable that there is a higher likelihood you would be struck by lightning 3 times in your living room tonight?

Better chance I get struck by lightening 3 times than OU and UGA not losing to middling teams? Win those games we'd have had 4 undefeated teams going into CCGs.

As usual the old "I cannot refute what you said" facepalm

well done.

 

[WizardHawk]

You keep talking about trophies but no one wants any trophy other than the one handed out at the end.

It's not only about what you like and others can have a differing opinion. And that's all this is...opinion. You don't offer much that is factual.

Neat. You don't understand what a participation trophy means. It's not a literal trophy.

No one can offer a fully factual statement about a fictitious system no one has seen.

Hello?

 

[tnapucco]

I think most that favor more always favored more. That said, just getting into playoffs doesn't get you a trophy

It can have positive effects in recruiting efforts...that's about it other than more cash than your typical bowl game and more media exposure. Other than that yeah its just another bowl game.

 

[dtgold88]

I agree. A move to at least 6 is definitely needed. I don't want it to become like college basketball, where Duke-North Carolina is just a battle for seeding.

I hear ya.....but those kids camp out overnight to get seats for those battles for seeding.

 

[WizardHawk]

Better chance I get struck by lightening 3 times than OU and UGA not losing to middling teams? Win those games we'd have had 4 undefeated teams going into CCGs.

As usual the old "I cannot refute what you said" facepalm

well done.

What the hell are you even on about now. I said it's more likely he gets hit by lightning than every P5 having an undefeated team at seasons end. It hasn't ever happened. We don't get more than 2 normally, more or less 5. Are you following this?

 

[dtgold88]

You are the one who claimed teams schedule better now so you are the one who should be finding proof. Why would I look for proof when I don't believe it's true?

Day 2 and not one article to support your blanket statement?

UF is now scheduling teams outside Florida and even now will travel to their stadium. Bama is also now traveling to other college sites.

OSU has gone from 1 marquee P5 and 2 cupcakes to 1 marquee P5 (sometimes 2), another lesser P5 and a MAC.

Your turn.