Here are Bama's 8 wins

[PIBuckeye]

Alabama's still a very good team but I wonder if their reputation is what's keeping them ranked so high.

well duh. of course it is.

michigan used to benefit the same way, until the sports media woke up one day and said, "ok, we can't overlook and defend this embarrassment anymore"..........

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I'm not certain I'm understanding your exact point but I use a variety of stats outside the poll's rankings and derived from them to demonstrate that polls are flawed. Are there are other options? You have one team that has a better record and SOS and more ranked wins one year ranked only 12th at its highest point while another is still in the top 4. Of course, less could get a higher ranking in a different year based on what everyone else does but eight spots? Beyond that, UCF even being considered in 2017 was treated as a joke while Alabama this year is treated as a reasonable outcome and all of it is based on teams getting credit for things beyond this year's game results.

Now lets remember that i stated a record of consistency as well, gives the committee room for reasonable doubt. If you look at college rankings they are littered with examples of subjective voting, but this is based many times on previous year or years records.

If we take just the 2007 through 2019 years. UCF has a mixture of records ranging from 0-12 to 13-0 culminating in a 99-54 record. Alabama has a low of 7-6(Sabans first year) to a high of 14-0 once, and 14-1 three time, all culminating in a 154-22 record. Thats 13 seasons counting to this point in the year, and 22 losses. Thats an average of 1.69 losses per year, versus 4.15 for UCF. Yes, consistency does play a part in their looking at a team. UCF has a pattern of getting hot for a year or two, and going back to mediocre to average at best then comes back for another year or two and then disappears for another year or two or three. Bama's worst season since Sabans first year was in 2010 with 3 losses. Otherwise he is consistent with 0,1 or 2 losses, most being 1 loss teams. Tell me who you would put more stock in to be a contender and rank consistently higher, UCF, or Alabama? Its not up for debate IMO, but everyone has a viewpoint and yours seems to think its found some scientific method that says Bama doesnt deserve a benefit of a doubt for a single loss.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Take these flowers and like it

Gotta say, I cannot drink anymore due to my Diabetes medicines, but i would sit and share a glass with you over a good football game and good conversation.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

There is help on the way....

Damn, they are bringing in Experts. Between Auburn and the Vols counselors we will be mentally Tough again in no time at all. Only way we could be tough sooner is if they brought in counselors from Michigan, Arkansas and USC.

 

[UNA Lion]

Folks are just too wise to Saban anymore - too many of his former assistants floating around out there, and they know his schemes.

Worse, he ain't all that good at contingency plans. If his primary plan falls flat, he just sticks with it, until its too late to do any good.

So long as Saban stays at Bama, they'll be a good team - but not great.

 

[Deep Creek]

For example, Louisiana Tech is 8-1, but their differential is -43.

We'll take credit for this.

 

[CJH9972]

Now lets remember that i stated a record of consistency as well, gives the committee room for reasonable doubt. If you look at college rankings they are littered with examples of subjective voting, but this is based many times on previous year or years records.

If we take just the 2007 through 2019 years. UCF has a mixture of records ranging from 0-12 to 13-0 culminating in a 99-54 record. Alabama has a low of 7-6(Sabans first year) to a high of 14-0 once, and 14-1 three time, all culminating in a 154-22 record. Thats 13 seasons counting to this point in the year, and 22 losses. Thats an average of 1.69 losses per year, versus 4.15 for UCF. Yes, consistency does play a part in their looking at a team. UCF has a pattern of getting hot for a year or two, and going back to mediocre to average at best then comes back for another year or two and then disappears for another year or two or three. Bama's worst season since Sabans first year was in 2010 with 3 losses. Otherwise he is consistent with 0,1 or 2 losses, most being 1 loss teams. Tell me who you would put more stock in to be a contender and rank consistently higher, UCF, or Alabama? Its not up for debate IMO, but everyone has a viewpoint and yours seems to think its found some scientific method that says Bama doesnt deserve a benefit of a doubt for a single loss.

I favor teams play by actual rules. Take any two teams and compare their results for this year only and favor the team with better results as a matter of rule. Everything else is irrelevant. My view is no one deserves benefit of the doubt with respect to whatever it is you would give them the benefit of the doubt about. Whether Alabama is the greatest program ever or the worst program ever, their game results this year should have the same value. If Alabama keeps getting favored in close calls because they are Alabama, it makes it easier for them to remain better and more difficult for other programs to build on their own successes.

 

[Deep Creek]

I like the honesty, but I dont really think Bama has a team to compete in the playoffs this year.

They'd compete. Maybe not win it but I think they'd compete. And I agree this Bama team isn't as good as some of the previous ones you've referenced. But damn, neither are any of the other ones rated above them this year. Some of those previous Bama teams would have throttled LSU Saturday.

And somebody has to fill out the bracket. I'd bet at the end of the year they'd be as good as the other potential teams. If they played Oregon, Utah, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Penn State, Baylor, etc, I'd pick Bama to beat any of them. JMO.

 

[Rolltide94]

Texas A&M


Texas State - a 3-6 Sun Belt team
Arkansas - very awful team, 2-8
Ole Miss - no quite as awful as Arkansas, but still awful - 4-6
Miss State - about the same as Ole Miss - 4-5
Texas San Antonio - a 4-5 CUSA team

17-30 record of FBS teams

other win came against Lamar, who is a 4-6 FCS team (Lol)

So Texas A&M has the exact same # of wins as Indiana against teams with winning records, but keep telling us that they are "actually good"

Which one is ranked again? LOL

 

[Rolltide94]

well duh. of course it is.

michigan used to benefit the same way, until the sports media woke up one day and said, "ok, we can't overlook and defend this embarrassment anymore"..........

If only Ohio State wouldn't keep losing to those pesky shitty teams and fucking with the media narrative...

 

[Rolltide94]

Folks are just too wise to Saban anymore - too many of his former assistants floating around out there, and they know his schemes.

Worse, he ain't all that good at contingency plans. If his primary plan falls flat, he just sticks with it, until its too late to do any good.

So long as Saban stays at Bama, they'll be a good team - but not great.

How's that working out for his former assistants....

How did his contigency plan work out versus Georgia in the Title game.

You are like the worst kind of nay saying fair weather Bama fan, they lost a game for fuck's sake, the wheels didn't come of the wagon. grow a pair of balls, you and Bamadude can go root for whatever loser team you were rooting for before you jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[ralphiewvu]

How's that working out for his former assistants....

How did his contigency plan work out versus Georgia in the Title game.

You are like the worst kind of nay saying fair weather Bama fan, they lost a game for fuck's sake, the wheels didn't come of the wagon. grow a pair of balls, you and Bamadude can go root for whatever loser team you were rooting for before you jumped on the bandwagon.

I very much enjoy this take from you.

 

[UNA Lion]

How's that working out for his former assistants....

How did his contigency plan work out versus Georgia in the Title game

Tua was flopping badly, so Saban had little choice, other than just eat a loss - and should have put in Hurts considerably sooner.

As for "fair weather" fan - either you're a bonified idiot, or you know nothing about me. I've been a Bama fan since '79, and through the terrible years under sub-par head coaches.

 

[BadMotoWeazal]

Yawn... this thread is tired

 

[ralphiewvu]

Tua was flopping badly, so Saban had little choice, other than just eat a loss - and should have put in Hurts considerably sooner.

As for "fair weather" fan - either you're a bonified idiot, or you know nothing about me. I've been a Bama fan since '79, and through the terrible years under sub-par head coaches.

Dude, you are acting like bama’s run is over because they lost a game to likely the number 1 team in the country. You guys had an off game, your QB is hurt. None of this means Alabama will stop being a great team under Satan.

 

[Angry red]

I have no issue with there being a debate. It is funny how on here that debate seems to be repeatedly discussed ad nauseum by a couple of fans with penis envy. Yes, UCF fans. Do most Bama fans think our chances of making the playoffs died in that loss, yes. In my 6 years on here and 40 plus years of being a college football fan, I have learned many fans of teams dont really care as much about their team as much as they take pride and joy when Alabama loses. It has gotten worse since Saban came to town, but its always been present. So by all means, discuss away. Just know that when some of you, based on your past posts, it comes off as so much penis envy and sour grapes, not real debate.

You typed penis envy twice in your post.

 

[Angry red]

So what you want acknowledged is name recognition and year in and out hard work and consistent winning is rewarded. Fine, its acknowledged. Do you want anyone whose team has shown they deserve the benefit of a doubt to feel sorry for other teams that have shown a propensity for losing when they should win? Can you honestly say that Bama has not earned some measure of a benefit of doubt by being a dominant force for close to 11 years now? As an exercise, you should go to all major teams, and add up the loss columns only over the last 11 years and then ask yourself if you dont think they do.

To be honest, this same debate happens almost every time Bama loses and I have yet to see one of you football geniuses design a better mouse trap. Maybe you should try.

 

[PIBuckeye]

If only Ohio State wouldn't keep losing to those pesky shitty teams and fucking with the media narrative...

Yep
The prior two seasons there were utter fluke failures..

Not this year.....

 

[Rolltide94]

Tua was flopping badly, so Saban had little choice, other than just eat a loss - and should have put in Hurts considerably sooner.

As for "fair weather" fan - either you're a bonified idiot, or you know nothing about me. I've been a Bama fan since '79, and through the terrible years under sub-par head coaches.

I'm done arguing with you, you clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I wasn't even referring to that championship game...but it is another example of Saban making the adjustments he needs to make to stay competitive.

Oh, you're a fair weather fan all right, you just don't realize it. Every time something bad happens you're like fucking Eeyore in here. I'm sure you were an Eeyore in 1981, and I'm sure you were an Eeyore in 1993, and you're an Eeyore now and probably will be next year too....and so on and so on.

When Saban hangs it up for good, whiny bitch ass fans like you will be one of the reasons why.

 

[Rolltide94]

Yep
The prior two seasons there were utter fluke failures..

Not this year.....

There's still plenty of time for you to shit the bed.