Broncos 2018 NFL Draft

[Draft Crazy]

Daurice Fountain

Interesting prospect. Was getting some good buzz even before his great proday.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I picked Lazard Iowa St

Notice all the Iowa WR's getting some love here, but never an Iowa WR (cause they don't got any)

 

[cdumler7]

Now that we are only a month out from the draft, where do you see Dallas Goedert going? I have seen him in the 1st round a while back, but Walter has him as a 3-4 round on him now. Thoughts?

He is honestly one of the tougher players to evaluate right now. For him unfortunately the Senior Bowl and Combine were very important. He played against inferior opponents and while he did what he had to do of dominating them it doesn't help that we don't have some athletic numbers to see if he truly is just that superior of an athlete or if the competition was just that bad.

Honestly right now I wouldn't take him until the early 4th round. I like what he brings to the table and think he can be an outstanding pro if he puts it all together. At the same time just a lot of risk involved with him and for me I like high upside guys on the 3rd day of the draft. The first two days are more finding proven talents.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I like Goedert, don't love him. Think he goes rd 3-4. I can see Goedert going round 3. A lot of teams in that situation have a guy they really like but know they will never make it back to them in round 4 or don't have that 4th round pick. Round 3 is a round especially late seems to be sorta a surprise round to many and not even saying it would be a surprise to see Goedert go round 3 because I wouldn't be at all, but you see a lot of guys you think will go perhaps as late as round 5 in late round 3. It seems to be a bit of a reach round late in that round because teams won't want to miss out on players they REALLY like. There are always a fair amount of DB's, DE's and TE's that seem to go in round 3 that you project late round 4 or early round 5 because those teams picking near the bottom fall in love with them. We have seen Denver do it.

I think Goedert is the kind of guy some team just falls in love with and doesn't want to miss out.

I know Nick was very high on him early in the season. Trying to convince me he was better then my guys Geisicki and Fumagalli and it is a legit argument. Just not sure like Carl said what you're getting.
But TE is surely a position we have seen teams fall in love with a player from a smaller school and take. Adam Sheehan last year, Tony Scheffler... Everyone is looking for that next big TE, and it seems like you can often find that at smaller schools with guys who are productive or have good measureables.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Broncos have scheduled a visit for Iowa C James Daniels who continues to rise up after declaring early.

 

[fightinredantz]

Thanks DC and cdulmer7.

I hope we take the chance and draft him.

 

[cdumler7]

Thanks DC and cdulmer7.

I hope we take the chance and draft him.

Like I said if he is there in the 4th I have no problem with the Broncos taking him. My guess is he won't be there unfortunately.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I am rooting for us to draft him to make JD happy! If he was there at the top of round 4 it would be excellent value. I am going to guess he goes higher, just seems like the type of TE someone falls in love with late on day 2.
When you think about it tight is really a position that is hard to judge draft stock with. I've seen tight ends I don't really like much (Richard Quinn, Jeff Heuerman, Kris Wilson list is longer) go way higher then expected. I just feel like it's a position often a team you don't expect to draft a TE early does or a team that needs one will take one you don't expect to go nearly as high as they do.

 

[CEH]

So one of the best plays of the 2017 season was the 47 yard seam route TD Brock to Huerman
How come Jeff can put toether more plays like that?
Also cost Denver the 3rd pick. Would have loved to pull off the NYJ trade

 

[Draft Crazy]

Showing a lot of interest in Iowa C James Daniels.

 

[Dr Cyanide 28]

From my time evaluating players, and specifically quarterbacks, from the college ranks to the NFL, I have come to five main traits I seek from the tape when evaluating throwers of the football

Kendell’s QB Evaluators
1) Ability to Process and Go Through Progressions
2) Pocket Maneuverability and Feel
3) Accuracy and Precision
4) Arm Talent
5) Physical Ability/Athleticism

You ABSOLUTELY need to have 1-3 to succeed in the NFL. It’s non-negotiable.

Going through progressions quickly and correctly is number one to me. The speed and effectiveness a player is able to make their reads against different defenses as the play unfolds and make the correct decision is crucial. It’s one reason Air Raid and Spread quarterbacks have been red flags in the NFL, for the most part, they aren’t asked to develop that skill set. Reading what the defense provides and making the right read in a timely matter is an absolute necessity. This also goes hand in hand with their ability on the whiteboard and ability to make presnap checks and reads (ala the king at that Peyton Manning) but even the smartest guys on the board don’t always have that intelligence translate once the bullets are flying.

Pocket Maneuverability has as much to do with movement within the pocket as it does ability to continue going through progressions and deliver the proper throw even with chaos going on around the QB and defenders breathing down his neck. How a quarterback is able to remain consistent in his technique and progressions despite 300lb+ men around him is crucial for success in today’s game. Look at Siemian as the antithesis to this skill set. Not only did he crumble with any sort of pressure, but he had no spatial awareness or feel to slide in the pocket to help his offensive line and buy time as a thrower. You just aren’t going to get a consistent pocket in today’s NFL, so the ability to move and hang tough is imperative.

Accuracy to me is both tape based as well as mechanical based. A QBs ability to be consistent in his throwing motion and his repeatable footwork in his drop are important. Of course a QB needs to be able to throw off of different platforms and different arm slots, but in classic drop backs which should be 90% of the tape, it must look like the same motion (dependent on 3/5/7 step drops). Accuracy deep is awesome, but it is accuracy on the short and intermediate routes that matter most. How many times a game does a quarterback have to throw the ball 60 yards down the field? Not often. Instead, there must be touch (proper speed and path) in the short and intermediate part of the field so that the playmakers have a chance to create YAC.

As for Arm Talent and Physical ability, they are things that is not ‘more is better’ but rather, ‘if you don’t reach this threshold, it’s an issue.’ Take for instance Jamarcus Russell and Cardale Jones. Two of the best arms I have ever seen scouting the game of football. Amazing raw strength and zip and down the field ability. Put on the highlights from those players in college and you will see 60+ yard bomb after 60+ yard bomb with tremendous mustard and touch on the ball down the field, all delivered in a monster frame to boot. These are secondary skills to me though. The best quarterbacks of the last decade didn’t have the best arm or the best frame or the most athleticism. No, but instead they had accuracy, the ability to go through progressions quickly and correctly, and amazing pocket maneuverability and feel.

There is of course the human factor as well, from work ethic to leadership that I do not have true access to, only hearsay from sources in the league and blips from teammates and coaches, and that of course is absolutely important as well. However, to claim to know for sure about leadership is something that I see as a stretch. You have to go off of coaches, teammates, and those that are closest to the player, but what we all should hang our hats on as evaluators is analyzing the tape.

Big arms and athletes make better highlights, but accuracy/touch, ability to go through progressions correctly, and movement from within the pocket to increase the opportunity to find the right read and deliver the ball to a playmaker with a chance to make a play is the name of the game. Moving the chains and maintaining consistent drives is what runs an offense and wins championships.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Really like me

CB- Rashaan Gaulden, Tennessee
CB- Carlton Davis, Auburn
CB- Anthony Arvett, Alabama
CB- Duke Dawson, Florida
S- Damon Webb, Ohio State

Obviously I have it well documented I am a huge Derwin James fan, but these are some other DB's outside him.

 

[randymon]

From my time evaluating players, and specifically quarterbacks, from the college ranks to the NFL, I have come to five main traits I seek from the tape when evaluating throwers of the football

Kendell’s QB Evaluators
1) Ability to Process and Go Through Progressions
2) Pocket Maneuverability and Feel
3) Accuracy and Precision
4) Arm Talent
5) Physical Ability/Athleticism

You ABSOLUTELY need to have 1-3 to succeed in the NFL. It’s non-negotiable.

Going through progressions quickly and correctly is number one to me. The speed and effectiveness a player is able to make their reads against different defenses as the play unfolds and make the correct decision is crucial. It’s one reason Air Raid and Spread quarterbacks have been red flags in the NFL, for the most part, they aren’t asked to develop that skill set. Reading what the defense provides and making the right read in a timely matter is an absolute necessity. This also goes hand in hand with their ability on the whiteboard and ability to make presnap checks and reads (ala the king at that Peyton Manning) but even the smartest guys on the board don’t always have that intelligence translate once the bullets are flying.

Pocket Maneuverability has as much to do with movement within the pocket as it does ability to continue going through progressions and deliver the proper throw even with chaos going on around the QB and defenders breathing down his neck. How a quarterback is able to remain consistent in his technique and progressions despite 300lb+ men around him is crucial for success in today’s game. Look at Siemian as the antithesis to this skill set. Not only did he crumble with any sort of pressure, but he had no spatial awareness or feel to slide in the pocket to help his offensive line and buy time as a thrower. You just aren’t going to get a consistent pocket in today’s NFL, so the ability to move and hang tough is imperative.

Accuracy to me is both tape based as well as mechanical based. A QBs ability to be consistent in his throwing motion and his repeatable footwork in his drop are important. Of course a QB needs to be able to throw off of different platforms and different arm slots, but in classic drop backs which should be 90% of the tape, it must look like the same motion (dependent on 3/5/7 step drops). Accuracy deep is awesome, but it is accuracy on the short and intermediate routes that matter most. How many times a game does a quarterback have to throw the ball 60 yards down the field? Not often. Instead, there must be touch (proper speed and path) in the short and intermediate part of the field so that the playmakers have a chance to create YAC.

As for Arm Talent and Physical ability, they are things that is not ‘more is better’ but rather, ‘if you don’t reach this threshold, it’s an issue.’ Take for instance Jamarcus Russell and Cardale Jones. Two of the best arms I have ever seen scouting the game of football. Amazing raw strength and zip and down the field ability. Put on the highlights from those players in college and you will see 60+ yard bomb after 60+ yard bomb with tremendous mustard and touch on the ball down the field, all delivered in a monster frame to boot. These are secondary skills to me though. The best quarterbacks of the last decade didn’t have the best arm or the best frame or the most athleticism. No, but instead they had accuracy, the ability to go through progressions quickly and correctly, and amazing pocket maneuverability and feel.

There is of course the human factor as well, from work ethic to leadership that I do not have true access to, only hearsay from sources in the league and blips from teammates and coaches, and that of course is absolutely important as well. However, to claim to know for sure about leadership is something that I see as a stretch. You have to go off of coaches, teammates, and those that are closest to the player, but what we all should hang our hats on as evaluators is analyzing the tape.

Big arms and athletes make better highlights, but accuracy/touch, ability to go through progressions correctly, and movement from within the pocket to increase the opportunity to find the right read and deliver the ball to a playmaker with a chance to make a play is the name of the game. Moving the chains and maintaining consistent drives is what runs an offense and wins championships.

That was a great breakdown on a Qb evaluation and I'm serious. Let me try and help you from getting carpal tunnel syndrome in future. A franchise Qb needs to have decent arm, throw with anticipation and accuracy, pocket awareness and / or escape ability, leadership , the " football smarts " to absorb and retain what he learns and most importantly the will and dedication to be great. The wins and SBs are achievable then. A strong D and good offensive supporting cast is also recommended. Just trying to keep ya healthy Doc

 

[CEH]

Showing a lot of interest in Iowa C James Daniels.

Is he a C\G
Maybe someone signs Paradis to an offer sheet

 

[SpringStein]

Is he a C\G
Maybe someone signs Paradis to an offer sheet

I’d be really surprised if someone sent us a 2nd round pick for Paradise, especially with the back issues he has consistently had to deal with.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I’d be really surprised if someone sent us a 2nd round pick for Paradise, especially with the back issues he has consistently had to deal with.

I'd be SHOCKED if someone signed him to an offer sheet with his tender.

Good player, but with his injury history and cost just too much.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Is he a C\G
Maybe someone signs Paradis to an offer sheet

Yes he is.

He started out as an OG at Iowa then shifted over to C his SOPH and JR year before declaring.

It is possible Paradis could sign a 1 year deal and with us needing interior OL we have options if we draft Daniels. Can come in and play OG, backup at C and a C option if Paradis walks the following year.

Daniels is a solid 12-15 year player, IMO.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Sounding more and more like the Browns are leaning Josh Allen #1 overall. Might change some things with the Giants (reporting that they're very high on Sam Darnold) could be smoke too on the Giants part to get someone to offer more to move up for him.

 

[Orange Crush77]

With the plethora of good rb’s in this years draft, what’s the chances of Guice sliding to the end of round 1, beginning of round 2? Everyone is all in on Barkley, and I get it, but Guice could be equally as good. He’s a punishing runner who does not go down on first contact. He might not have as many miles left his tires as Barkley due to his beastly style, but I would gladly feature him in our offense

 

[Orange Crush77]

I love this kid