politics thread

[reptec101]

Off topic: How does a video of a coach from the Dolphins leak out to the world. So the idiot vids himself snorting coke with his cell talking bout his girl back home. He obviously just sent it to his girl only... I would assume. Either he sent it to another or his girl did after receiving it,,, either way,,, see ya coach. So glad this wasn't a Redskin coach.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

They were down 4. I'm with Gkekoa here and SoCal... you have to score a TD,,, not just a FG. You have to take the shots if presented to score. Yes, Ideally you want to score the winning points with no time left but if you're worried your defense can't stop a team from scoring in just a minutes time then you probably have bigger problems than just clock management.

Yep - my bad - Boys were down 28-24 at that time. That underlines the pt even more. If a coach screws around trying to run down the clock then they may not ever score a TD - you score TDs when you can & don't worry about all of the other BS. This was completely different that the Redskins-Chiefs game where a FG would be good enough.

I also love the fans mindset where coaches are assumed to view things just like some fan does after the game sitting in a quiet house reviewing plays over & over again. This is not even close to how it actually works in front of 70-80,000 fans where split second decisions have to be made with 15 people yelling in your ear.

To say "so what - these guys are making millions of dollars to do these type of things" is just ridiculous. It doesn't change the fact that it is not easy & is nowhere near that same as the thoughts of some delusional second guessing fans.

 

[reptec101]

Yep - my bad - Boys were down 28-24 at that time. That underlines the pt even more. If a coach screws around trying to run down the clock then they may not ever score a TD - you score TDs when you can & don't worry about all of the other BS. This was completely different that the Redskins-Chiefs game where a FG would be good enough.

I also love the fans mindset where coaches are assumed to view things just like some fan does after the game sitting in a quiet house reviewing plays over & over again. This is not even close to how it actually works in front of 70-80,000 fans where split second decisions have to be made with 15 people yelling in your ear.

To say "so what - these guys are making millions of dollars to do these type of things" is just ridiculous. It doesn't change the fact that it is not easy & is nowhere near that same as the thoughts of some delusional second guessing fans.

Exactly, if a fg is needed you work the clock.. if a td is needed you score when u can.

 

[deanpet21]

Exactly, if a fg is needed you work the clock.. if a td is needed you score when u can.

It was 2nd and 1 you pound Elliot to pick up the first and burn clock. You guys don't understand time mgt. They scored way too early. Leaving the best QB in the league time to beat you. Plus what was GB thinking going for two? Coaching mistakes galore.

Im glad Dallas lost but Garret is just a fool.

 

[deanpet21]

Let me see if I have this correct. Dallas is down by 3 on 2nd down w/ 1:24 to go at the GB 11 yd line. They have a chance for a TD & they are supposed to forego that in order to take time off the clock? Stupid.

What if they take your advice & wind up getting only 3? They very likely could use pass plays that also stop the clock & GB still has one timeout left & would only need a FG in that situation. Are you also suggesting that they should only use running plays? This is a losers mentality. How about perhaps giving some credit to Rodgers? My guess is that regardless of situation he might figure out a way to beat the Boys (& most teams).

Again you portray things as if the entire game comes down to the last few series. Far from it. The Cowboys had control of this game in the 1st half (just like the previous week) but let the game slip away from them. Forget the last series - how about the pick six at the start of the 4th QTR? That was huge.

Cute how you act like you are the only one on the planet who knows how to coach a football team. I truly believe that in your delusional mind you believe that you can coach an NFL team. Keep dreaming.

you don't understand time mgt. why bother even commenting. Finishing games correctly matter.

 

[j_y19]

you don't stop the clock in that situation. Plenty of time to score.

You are so wrong it’s not even worth explaining it to you.

 

[deanpet21]

You are so wrong it’s not even worth explaining it to you.

No. Every dallas fan I was with is screaming for them to run the ball. Even Aikman and Buck said it. Gareet is a fool. He is noted for these gaffs. Why do I even talk about time mgt with you guys. You don't understand. Rodgers should not have that amount of time to score. Just like Smith did to beat us.

 

[skinzfan]

blame the defense, not the coaches

 

[deanpet21]

You are so wrong it’s not even worth explaining it to you.

Agreeing with the Dez Bryant play is absolutely delusional.

 

[deanpet21]

blame the defense, not the coaches

did you really expect the defense stopping Rodgers with a timeout? lol

 

[Kevin12773]

Just simply @deanpet21 as usual.

 

[deanpet21]

Just simply @deanpet21 as usual.

you are agreeing with Gareets play calling on that last drive? LMFAO!! typical Kevin as usual.

 

[Kevin12773]

you are agreeing with Gareets play calling on that last drive? LMFAO!! typical Kevin as usual.

If you need a TD and you have the opportunity to score a TD you score it.end/

 

[deanpet21]

If you need a TD and you have the opportunity to score a TD you score it.end/

Again, that TD does end the game so you have to think clock mgt. I love how the clock and TO's doesn't matter.

 

[reptec101]

First of all Dallas never should have been giving that first down and the game was over at that point... in all regards...imo. Just because a player reaches the ball out he should not be given that spot. Before whistle blew he brought it back on own accord.. this isnt goal line situation where once it crosses the play ends. This is in same regard to a player running backwards on own accord to elude a tackle but then gets tackeled for a loss yet the refs spot the ball at the furthest point the ball once was. No, they mark him down where he gets tackled.. unless forcefully and unwillingly is driven backwards. Zeke willfully brought ball back and whistle blew. NFL needs to be consistant here. Terrible officiating.

 

[Kevin12773]

You should change your name to Monday Morning QB or arm chair QB. Your after the fact analysis is poinent and gripping

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You are so delusional it is ridiculous. Your buddies agreed w/you since they probably are just as delusional. So - the pick six earlier in the game didn't matter? The poor D at the end didn't matter? The Boys WR dropping the ball towards the end had no effect? Got it. All that matters is the clock mgmt. on that one drive & scoring a TD when available is stupid in your opinion. Got it.

 

[Kevin12773]

I think it’s funny that so many people are shitting on Dallas’ incomplete pass that stopped the clock, saying “the Cowboys would have won if they ran the ball there.”

• First of all, Buck and Aikman are idiots; don't base your football wisdom on what those two say in the booth.
• Second of all, Dallas could have scored on that run, leaving MORE time for Rodgers.
• Third of all, running is what everyone expected the Cowboys to do. You need balls to win in this league.
• Fourth of all, it’s never a bad play to throw on the Packers defense.
• Fifth of all, they were down 4; teams can’t fuck around when needing a TD. A holding penalty on that “run” and they would be backed up with time running out.
• Sixth of all, you need to trust your defense to make plays too. You can’t blame the offense for a faulty defense.
• Seventh of all, even if Dallas would have ran the ball on that down and scored on the next play, Rodgers still got the ball down to the Dallas 32 yard line with 39 seconds left. Crosby – at worst – would’ve been lining up for a game-tying field goal.
• Eighth of all, all hail Aaron Rodgers. Not one moment on that Dallas drive did anyone watching think Aaron Rodgers wasn’t going to get the Packers in to scoring range – no matter how much time was left.

RP if you visit this forum again just know Dean is the messiah when it comes to football and could lead the Browns to the SB if given the chance to coach as he knows more than all on the hoop.
PS yes Rodgers is one bad mofo

 

[Sharkinva]

I suppose your talking bout Christopher Columbus coming to America in the late 1400's and claiming stakes to the ground that was occupied by Indians in certain areas. (Note I said Indians since there was no America and the term Native Americans couldn't exist... not being disrespectful). So a group of sophisticated white men come to a new country (btw, they didn't come here illegally. What laws existed then that would deem that) so they come to a new country that is occupied by warriors and savages living in the trees and there surrounding jungles (note again, not saying the white men weren't savages,, just sophisticated and intellectually smarter) and claim a world not owned by anyone at that time... a world only with occupants. Right or wrong; this is a world where the strongest survive. Not gonna delve into the new world since it's so ancient.

See this is where people of African America or of Native American heritage have a problem with the line of thinking or justification. You are basically saying that because white men were more technologically advanced, and there were no laws to prevent what they did, it was apparently OK. Because they bought slaves from Africans in Africa, and it was legal... we black folks in America need to just get over Slavery and more to the point, we need to accept that the social mind set established during slavery does not remain today. And by that I mean mainly that even if it is not openly stated any more, there are portions of white America that find any one NOT white to be inferior. I agree that you will probably never find a totally level playing field in this world, there will always be some sort of cast system. But just as the underlying message is always.. black folk need to just get over it, until more of America can accept that blacks, Latinos, Asians and Native Americans are not inferior because they arent white... we wont ever just get over it.

 

[Breed]

I'm no rules expert, and you bring up a good point. However, I think regardless of when they blow the whistle your furthest forward progress point during your effort is usually where they spot the ball when you are in the process of being tackled. So in this instance that's where they spotted the ball. Like you are saying, if you catch the ball then retreat backwards then get tackled the ball is spotted when contact is made in which the offensive player began to be tackled. That is my understanding at least.

If what you're saying is on point. That means if a player catches a pass a yard beyond the first dn marker. Yet of his own power and volition. He runs 3 yards behind the first dn marker believing if he gets the corner on an approaching DB who was in a soft zone coverage. He can pick up huge yards, maybe even score. Just before he turns it up-field though. Zack Brown drops his shoulder into the pass catcher's rib cage area dropping him and the ball which he's carrying against his right side or side furthest from the 1st dn marker immediately and a clear 2 yards short of the ft dn marker. He'd still be given the 1st dn based on where he caught the ball and his decision which turned out to be a terrible one, to try and get more yards by backtracking behind the 1st dn marker is somewhere dismissed or washed away.

Theoretically players could run all the back to their end zone, be it a 4 yard backward run or a 40 yard backward run. Get tackled in their end zone and the ball would still go to the spot where he originally caught the pass.

 

[skinz2winz]

Since nobody addressed my question in the other thread ill post it here again for anybody who wishes to respond.

How was Zeke Elliotts 4th and a half yard even a first down at all. Stretching the ball forward and then back again does not constitute ball placement at furthest spot where the ball once was in the field of play. This wasn't a goal line situation where once ball breaks the plain the play is over. In the field of play until the whistle blows the play is live. In other words; if a player willfully takes the ball back to avoid a tackle of whatever the play is live until the player is tackled and the whistle blows. If player is taken back forcefully the play is dead and ball placed where push back began. That's common sense and league rule. In Zekes case he willfully stretched the ball over the line marker for 1st down and then willfully brought it back beyond the line marker before the whistle blew. The whistle then blew and play was over with ball not beyond 1st down marker. Again, this was not a goal line situation. How was that a first down? Am I the only one who scratched my head when they awarded first down on that play? It didn't cost Pack the game but surprised nobody in the officiating crew caught this situation. Or perhaps Im wrong on this.

Feed back.

Perhaps there are far too many grey areas in the current rules to fully understand what applies and what doesn't. Kind of like the "failed mary" catch a few years back in which a Packer caught the ball, came down in the end zone with 2 feet at which time should have been ruled TD and play over. In other cases where the ball carrier stretches the ball across the plain of the goal line, its ruled TD and play over regardless of what happens after.
In fairness to Doctson, he actually caught the ball against the Chiefs, had a forearm and knee on the ground well before the ball ever came dislodged by the ground. Why is that not a TD? Because some new rule that apparently applies to a pass catcher who must have completed the full motion of the catch to include not having the ball dislodged at any point apparently.
Anyway, it seems the boys always benefit more times than not when questionable calls like the one you mention come into play. Why that is, I'm not sure.