The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[Stakesarehigh]

Yes vorp is the replacement level player

Just like war in baseball

And these things are continuously adjusted and no matter what jokic still comes out on top

I've literally just showed you the formula.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

"Calibrated on team performance"

Yep

When your backup center is dog shit you look amazing

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Let's ask it a 7th time

Does anyone on this board think Nikola Jokic deserves to be the highest rated defensive center from an analytics standpoint

If your answer is yes you are a fucking moron.

 

[DJ]

Luka throws it away a lot too.

4.0 turnovers sounds like a lot but when you factor in almost 10apg?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Up 2 with 4 seconds to go and the opposing team has the ball

You're putting Jokic in there over every center in the league right?

 

[Wazmankg]

4.0 turnovers sounds like a lot but when you factor in almost 10apg?

I honestly didn't know that he led the league in them until I looked it up after seeing some unnecessary rather sloppy play from him recently.

 

[eaglesnut]

Luka throws it away a lot too.

At least someone is making a relevant point.

Appreciate it.

 

[eaglesnut]

Up 2 with 4 seconds to go and the opposing team has the ball

You're putting Jokic in there over every center in the league right?

Haha they just can't handle the real situations of the game of basketball. It's all about a made up algorithtm to them.

 

[eaglesnut]

The VORP converts the value of the Box Plus Minus into an estimate of the player’s contribution, which is parameterized with respect to the Replacement Player. In this case,


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Box Plus Minus​

As for the PER, the BPM is calculated by adding the different player’s contributions in order to obtain a raw value, gBMP, which will then be calibrated on team performance to obtain the real Box Plus Minus. Every single addend that makes up the raw term is related to one or more contributions; moreover, there is always a corrective factor."

Hilarious they were able to sell this kind of bullshit to all these psuedo fans.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Let's ask it a 7th time

Does anyone on this board think Nikola Jokic deserves to be the highest rated defensive center from an analytics standpoint

If your answer is yes you are a fucking moron.

He is the greatest defensive center of all time

 

[DJ]

If your answer is yes you are a fucking moron.

We have several on here, no need to mention names.

They know who they are.

 

[The Q]

Why are we just talking about Jordan?

Should we talk about marjon beauchamp and Jae crowder?


Montreal harrell and Paul reed?

Dante exum, facundo compazzo and one legged kemba walker?

 

[trojanfight]

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Why are we just talking about Jordan?

Should we talk about marjon beauchamp and Jae crowder?


Montreal harrell and Paul reed?

Dante exum, facundo compazzo and one legged kemba walker?

Embiid is another example of this. Giannis doesn't show.quite the.drop off since they have effectively replaced his minutes moreso than Denver.

But again

Do you think Jokics defense is being effectively analyzed when he is rated as the best defender in the entire league

Because you know God damn well this is what these mouth breathing retards do...they see his dbpm and go...oh my god he's amazing

 

[tlance]

Embiid is another example of this. Giannis doesn't show.quite the.drop off since they have effectively replaced his minutes moreso than Denver.

But again

Do you think Jokics defense is being effectively analyzed when he is rated as the best defender in the entire league

Because you know God damn well this is what these mouth breathing retards do...they see his dbpm and go...oh my god he's amazing

Literally nobody thinks Jokic is a high level defender.

If anything, voters don’t understand the metrics.

But even then, without the advanced stats, the simple stats, the team record and everything else looks pretty good for the Joker.

Especially coming off a title.

I agree the voting should not have been so lopsided. That is crazy.

But people saying Joker is not deserving is crazier than a lopsided vote IMO.

 

[bksballer89]

Literally nobody thinks Jokic is a high level defender.

If anything, voters don’t understand the metrics.

But even then, without the advanced stats, the simple stats, the team record and everything else looks pretty good for the Joker.

Especially coming off a title.

I agree the voting should not have been so lopsided. That is crazy.

But people saying Joker is not deserving is crazier than a lopsided vote IMO.

who said that

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Literally nobody thinks Jokic is a high level defender.

If anything, voters don’t understand the metrics.

But even then, without the advanced stats, the simple stats, the team record and everything else looks pretty good for the Joker.

Especially coming off a title.

I agree the voting should not have been so lopsided. That is crazy.

But people saying Joker is not deserving is crazier than a lopsided vote IMO.

I've yet to say he doesn't deserve to be in the discussion. He plays a damn near perfect brand of basketball for this era on the offensive end. His impact on the court cannot be questioned on that end.

What I'm challenging is voters being so simple minded to go "oh wow...AND he's the best defender too?"

There is no other logical explanation for him running away with this award other than people simply looking at VORP or BPM. Because there is no other reason for the titanic shift in voting patterns that shafted Lebron. Lebron has not won an MVP since Obamas first term.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Lebron carries Cleveland to 4 straight finals (yes I will grant you the east was weak ish) and he wins 0 MVPs lol.

 

[tlance]

who said that

Who said what?

That Joker isn’t deserving?

Pretty sure you said that.

 

[tlance]

Lebron carries Cleveland to 4 straight finals (yes I will grant you the east was weak ish) and he wins 0 MVPs lol.

Yeah.

Problem there was that Cleveland and LeBron never really went for it in the regular season.

We all knew he was the best player. I thought he should have won at least twice in that stretch, but I also get why he didn’t.