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Your last 4 coaches' 1st, 2nd & 3rd Teams?

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  1. ericd7633

    ericd7633 Well-Known Member

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    I thought this would a be a pretty cool discussion for the off-season, assuming we get a season next year. Basically take your last 4 coaches, so current coach and last 3 and make a 1st, 2nd and 3rd team of all the players that consisted over that time span. Obviously this will be much more difficult for others than it will be for myself, but I'm genuinely curious about how far back this list will span and who the players will be on the list. If @Hitman Hart wants to make a list, since I think that was the only P6 coaching change he doesn't have to include Forbes since he just got there.

    Anyways, here's my coaches to choose from: Richard Pitino, Tubby Smith, Dan Monson, Clem Haskins. Spanning 1986-Present

    1st Team:
    PG: Bobby Jackson
    SG: Veshon Leonard
    SF: Sam Jacobson
    PF: Willie Burton
    C: Daniel Oturu

    2nd Team:
    PG: Marcus Carr
    SG: Blake Hoffarber
    SF: Amir Coffey
    PF: Kris Humphries
    C: Joel Pryzbilla

    3rd Team:
    PG: Andre Hollins
    SG: Vincent Grier
    SF: Quincy Lewis
    PF: Trevor Mbakwe
    C: Rick Rickert

    Tough list, but fun exercise none the less.
     



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    so can i list Odom players, b/c i've always considered Prosser and Gaudio to be the same entity.? CJ Harris was the only decent contributor on a Gaudio team that wasn't signed by Skip Prosser
     
  3. ericd7633

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    Yeah that's fair. Plus I completely forgot about Bzdelik, holy shit. I came up with that stipulation simply so you could include Odom players. Lol. Not knowing I would completely forget the Bzdelik "era". Lol.
     
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    Yea good idea, but a not useful exercise for Villanova Basketball. :dhd:

    2 coaches over the past 28 years.
     
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    Just do it! I could probably name a pretty good team without knowing much prior to 1995ish. It should be easier for programs like yours!
     
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    I've been a Villanova fan only since the Lappas days. A college basketball fan a little longer than that.


    1st
    G-Jalen Brunson
    G-Ryan Arcidiacano
    F-Mikal Bridges
    F-Josh Hart
    C-Jason Lawson

    2nd
    G-Randy Foye
    G-Kerry Kittles
    F-Kris Jenkins
    F-Dante Cunningham
    C-Dan Ochefu

    3rd
    G-Scottie Reynolds
    G-Allan Ray
    F-Eric Eberz
    F-Curtis Sumpter
    C-Mouph Yarou

    As is expected, Nova is a guard heavy program and I struggled to come up with more frountcourt players. Hart is really a guard, but they played him as a forward, so...

    Scottie Reynolds is 3rd team here but was a 1st team AA american (though I didn't really like him that much). Mouph Yarou is a 3rd team forward, but was a space filler during mediocre years.

    Had to leave off some nice guards like Alvin Williams and Lowry.

    Lowry is the best player to ever come out of Nova, but was 3rd option when he played.
     
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    Yeah I was curious how'd you go with so many great guards in the last 25 years. Even a guy like DiVicenzo didn't make the cut, but I actually understand that given he really only contributed for a year. Good problem to have.
     
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    I know probably 2/3rds of these guys.

    But a few more because they played in the NBA.

    That 97 team was beyond outstanding. Jacobson was my favorite player from that team.
     
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    Yea D would have been maybe 5th team.

    I would venture Villanova is probably near the tops in producing guards. ESPN had an article and name Kentucky, but that was in terms of NBA guys like John Wall and Malik Monk who only play a year of college.

    Good big men are much harder to recruit on the college level. Good guards are in abundance.
     
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    Got pretty liberal with the positions so I could fit the best players in lol.

    Stan Heath, John Pelphrey, Mike Anderson, Eric Musselman (2003-2019)

    1st team:

    PG: Patrick Beverley
    SG: Isaiah Joe
    SF: Ronnie Brewer
    PF: Bobby Portis
    C: Daniel Gafford

    2nd team:

    PG: Jaylen Barford
    SG: Sonny Weems
    SF: Coty Clarke
    PF: Mike Washington
    C: Moses Kingsley

    3rd team:

    PG: Courtney Fortson
    SG: Daryl Macon
    SF: Michael Qualls
    PF: Darian Townes
    C: Steven Hill

    HM: Rotnei Clarke (transferred to Butler or might have included him), Marshawn Powell, Jonathon Modica, Mason Jones
     
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    lmao, yeah. Bzdelik's tenure had far more fan backlash than Manning's. We're talking about "Fire Bzdelik" billboards and a full page ad in the 2013 ACC tournament guide. Manning never had to deal with any of that

    i do think Manning's tenure has kind of vindicated Bzdelik in a way. Bzdelik wasn't the problem, he was a symptom. Ron Wellman was the problem.
     
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    4 coaches since Richardson. Wow...
     
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    1st team

    PG- Chris Paul
    SG- Randolph Childress
    SF- Josh Howard
    PF- Rodney Rogers
    C- Tim Duncan

    2nd team

    PG- Jeff Teague
    SG- Justin Gray
    SF- James Johnson
    PF- Al-Farouq Aminu
    C- John Collins

    3rd team

    PG- Ish Smith
    G- Robert O'Kelley
    G- Craig Dawson
    PF- Chris King
    C- Darius Songaila

    chose Songaila over Eric Williams, b/c Songaila was a more skilled player. He also didn't have the luxury of catching dimes from Chris Paul for two years.

    went with O'Kelly and Dawson over CJ Harris, b/c O'Kelley and Dawson actually played on good teams. I penalized the "good" players on the Bzdelik and Manning squads. Collins is the exception to that rule, b/c he's been pretty damn good in the NBA so far and he had a historically good offensive efficiency rate during his sophomore season at Wake

    i also don't think i've ever noted this before on here, but I grew up in the same neighborhood as CJ Harris. He had even been to my house a few times.
     
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    PG Mike Conley
    SG Jim Jackson
    SF Evan Turner
    PF Jared Sullinger
    C. Greg Oden

    PG D Lo
    SG Michael Redd
    SF Deshaun Thomas
    PF Lawrence Funderburke
    C. Kosta Koufos

    PG. Scoonie Penn
    SG. Dequan Cook
    SF. David Lighty
    PF. Keita Bates Diop
    C. Ken Johnson

    The rest

    PG Aaron Craft
    SG Jon Diebler
    SF William Buford
    PF Terrence Dials
    C. Kaleb Wesson

    *Derek Anderson

    You could make an argument some from the last list were much better OSU players than the pros were
     
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    That first team is so sick. Paul and Childress in the same backcourt is so filthy. Like Justin Gray on 2nd team. I always thought he never got enough pub and was always underrated. I only recognize a couple 3rd teamers with Ish and Songalia.
     
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    Dawson was the third option on the Howard/Songaila teams of the early 2000s. Pretty efficient scorer. Shot 40% from long range during his four years @ Wake

    King played in the early 90s under Odom. his stats looked good, so i put him on the 3rd team, lmao. i'm also pretty sure that King played a big role in Duncan coming to Wake

    O'Kelly was my coach at the Dave Odom b-ball camp in the early 2000s. Had a solid career, outside of a weird junior year. Was the #1 scoring option at Wake between the Duncan years and the Songaila/Howard years.

    if Wake had landed Tyrese Rice (Rice waited and waited for Prosser to recruit him), Wake probably would have been a top 10-15 team during Gray's senior year. He probably would have received some pub then
     
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    5 if you include the one day that Dana Altman was our coach :D

    After Nolan was fired there were rumors that Bill Self was interested before he took the Kansas job but after the controversy with all of that we felt like we needed to make a minority hire so we ended up with Heath.
     
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    That is a nice group of players. Really balanced across the positions and many of those guys stayed several years.

    OSU is an underrated program when it comes to college hoops.

    No way I personally would put Cook above Craft. Craft gave you 4 years. I would consider putting him over D Russell too.
     
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    Yes I went back and forth over how to rank them. Obviously one and dones didn't give much. In hindsight Buford should definitely be over Cook.
     
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    1sr team

    PG- BJ Armstrong
    SG- Ricky Davis
    SF- Roy Marble
    PF- Jarrod Uthoff
    C- Luka Garza

    2nd team

    PG- Andre Woolridge
    SG- Adam Haluska
    SF- Aaron White
    PF- Chris Street
    C- Reggie Evans

    3rd team

    PG- Devyn Marble
    SG- Peter Jok
    SF- Kevin Gamble
    PF- Ed Horton
    C- Acie Earl

    HM

    Dean Oliver
    Jeff Horner
    Jordan Bohannon
    Jess Settles
    Ryan Bowen
    Matt Gatens
    Brad Lohaus
    Val Barnes
    Greg Bruner

    Im sure im missing some as well
     
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