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Game Thread: With the 5th pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select:

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The Dolphins will officially have the 5th pick in the draft as their first pick in the round(for now).

It is time for you all to throw out some names/ideas for this pick.

Remember, it is still a few weeks away for the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft.

Have at it, Fins fans!

Fins UP!
 

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The Dolphins will officially have the 5th pick in the draft as their first pick in the round(for now).

It is time for you all to throw out some names/ideas for this pick.

Remember, it is still a few weeks away for the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft.

Have at it, Fins fans!

Fins UP!
Pretty happy that this is the worst it can be as some were thinking 7-9. 5 puts them in a decent position to pick their best player. I honestly don't know if they should be going QB or bolstering the lines. I guess it depends on who's there and who they like. They could go with Fitz and Rosen another year or even take a QB later keeping three.
 

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Pretty happy that this is the worst it can be as some were thinking 7-9. 5 puts them in a decent position to pick their best player. I honestly don't know if they should be going QB or bolstering the lines. I guess it depends on who's there and who they like. They could go with Fitz and Rosen another year or even take a QB later keeping three.

I was thinking 7-9 at one point but we obviously let a couple get away.

As to the rest of your post - a lot of the same people that want a QB in here have complained about the OL, which IS a problem for the Dolphins still outside of a couple of guys. So, I would think it would be most logical that OL is our most pressing need before even considering QB or any other position.

Andrew Thomas, a junior from Georgia, who recently declared early -- is already listed as the top OL on most boards. I don't know if he will be there or not at 5th, but it would obviously be a great value pick at that point.

Another need of sorts for the Dolphins is secondary help - particularly at CB. I wont get into names and where to pick them at this point - but what the Dolphins MUST look for in a CB is length. We have some guys with speed back there and decent hands to defend - but we certainly need some size in order to matchup better against teams -- and compliment the rest of the defense better. I think our front 7 is solid.
 

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I was thinking 7-9 at one point but we obviously let a couple get away.

As to the rest of your post - a lot of the same people that want a QB in here have complained about the OL, which IS a problem for the Dolphins still outside of a couple of guys. So, I would think it would be most logical that OL is our most pressing need before even considering QB or any other position.

Andrew Thomas, a junior from Georgia, who recently declared early -- is already listed as the top OL on most boards. I don't know if he will be there or not at 5th, but it would obviously be a great value pick at that point.

Another need of sorts for the Dolphins is secondary help - particularly at CB. I wont get into names and where to pick them at this point - but what the Dolphins MUST look for in a CB is length. We have some guys with speed back there and decent hands to defend - but we certainly need some size in order to matchup better against teams -- and compliment the rest of the defense better. I think our front 7 is solid.
I guess the point is that if your QB is there you probably have to take him as you may not get another chance. Even if Rosen progresses it never hurts to hedge your bet and Rosen is cheap. Is it so bad having two competent QBs?

Oline will definitely be fixed. Maybe find a G in FA and draft a few more oline stock it up. Need a C too.

I'm ok with front seven especially when in 3-4 D but it would be nice to have more passrush as it helps your secondary. Someone who can play OLB and DE in nickel. Too bad Charles Harris didn't turn out as he'd fit that role.

SS may be ok as Rowe has looked good there and CB has done pretty well without X. Although I'd never be mad if they took a CB you can never have enough.
 

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I guess the point is that if your QB is there you probably have to take him as you may not get another chance. Even if Rosen progresses it never hurts to hedge your bet and Rosen is cheap. Is it so bad having two competent QBs?

Oline will definitely be fixed. Maybe find a G in FA and draft a few more oline stock it up. Need a C too.

I'm ok with front seven especially when in 3-4 D but it would be nice to have more passrush as it helps your secondary. Someone who can play OLB and DE in nickel. Too bad Charles Harris didn't turn out as he'd fit that role.

SS may be ok as Rowe has looked good there and CB has done pretty well without X. Although I'd never be mad if they took a CB you can never have enough.

The Dolphins can have their choice of QBs not named Tua in any of the first 3 rounds with the depth at the position. Let me highlight the word DEPTH for those that may attack me for this post who may not agree with me on the idea that there is depth at QB in this draft - even if it means there is only 4-5 elite options. This may be true, but I believe there is at least 8-10 QBs in this draft that would at least be SOLID options to choose from.

As far as the G and C spots, there is certainly depth in this draft at those positions, but I think the elite talent is going to be at the tackle positions. We need to consider going that route with our first pick, if not both first-round picks -- in order to start rebuilding the OL. By doing that, you set a foundation to do just about whatever the fuck you want the rest of the draft --- especially so considering the team is going to have as many picks as they are going to have over the next couple of drafts.

I know things aren't great for the team now - and I know some people in here want it to be worse to fit with their personal narrative -- but its not that bad. We aren't the Browns or Cowboys. Or so many other teams that are just as stuck in mediocrity as the Dolphins, if not worse and for longer.
 

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The Dolphins can have their choice of QBs not named Tua in any of the first 3 rounds with the depth at the position. Let me highlight the word DEPTH for those that may attack me for this post who may not agree with me on the idea that there is depth at QB in this draft - even if it means there is only 4-5 elite options. This may be true, but I believe there is at least 8-10 QBs in this draft that would at least be SOLID options to choose from.

As far as the G and C spots, there is certainly depth in this draft at those positions, but I think the elite talent is going to be at the tackle positions. We need to consider going that route with our first pick, if not both first-round picks -- in order to start rebuilding the OL. By doing that, you set a foundation to do just about whatever the fuck you want the rest of the draft --- especially so considering the team is going to have as many picks as they are going to have over the next couple of drafts.

I know things aren't great for the team now - and I know some people in here want it to be worse to fit with their personal narrative -- but its not that bad. We aren't the Browns or Cowboys. Or so many other teams that are just as stuck in mediocrity as the Dolphins, if not worse and for longer.
I agree that one of the first round picks has to be OT. Davis isn't bad at RT. I heard that OT depth in the draft isn't great so probably can't wait past 18. If they like a QB that can be taken later in the first or 2nd that would make it easier to fill these holes with better quality. Will be interesting.

I do agree that they are positioned better than most teams they have cap and picks. Look at the Steelers didn't make the playoffs and have no first round pick. QB old. I don't see them winning the bowl before minkah is a FA....
 

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I would consider Tua at pick 5 if he declares. The Fins can take their time with his recovery and his acclamation to the system and NFL. Fitzpatrick will be reuinited with his OC. I am ok with another year of Fitzmagic. Picking Tua could still make sense unless the Fins like another QB better than Tua or feel he is too much of a risk. An OT pick could be a good choice also. Having three first rounders gives the team good options. The best available DE could also work. Free agency will also be interesting.
 

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I would consider Tua at pick 5 if he declares. The Fins can take their time with his recovery and his acclamation to the system and NFL. Fitzpatrick will be reuinited with his OC. I am ok with another year of Fitzmagic. Picking Tua could still make sense unless the Fins like another QB better than Tua or feel he is too much of a risk. An OT pick could be a good choice also. Having three first rounders gives the team good options. The best available DE could also work. Free agency will also be interesting.
I’m on board here obviously. I still believe Tua is the best pure passer in this draft, if he declares. He does have durability concerns but from what I’ve seen still possesses the most upside in the class..I think best to essentially redshirt him his rookie year. From what I’m reading Gailey’s scheme is almost identical to what he runs now.

also, update on a previous post, Jamie Newman entered the transfer portal indicating he will not be coming out this year.
 

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Herbert plays today at 5 PM. His team has 11 wins. Oregon is playing Wisconsin.
 

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Over the last several days a few draft-eligible underclassmen RBs have declared for the draft. Considering the Dolphins struggled with the run - and Ballage was statistically, historically bad this season -- the Dolphins could consider an RB with one of their first-round picks - while using the other on an OL -- or a QB not-named Damaged Goods Tua with their other first round pick.

The one position the Dolphins can afford to stay away from in the first round - outside of kicker and punter, is WR. They can pretty much go any other direction and be fine.
 

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Laird has been versatile at RB and could provide depth. He has shown good pass catching ability. The team needs more talent at the position. I thought that Ballage would have been better. He seems to have the talent. The Fins should pick one the top 5 players at the position. The team has the draft capital to get it done. As the oline keeps improving the running game will also improve.
 
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Laird has been versatile at RB and could provide depth. He has shown good pass catching ability. The team needs more talent at the position. I thought that Ballage would have been better. He seems to have the talent. The Fins should pick one the top 5 players at the position. The team has the draft capital to get it done. As the oline keeps improving the running game will also improve.
No one could run behind that oline so I'm not giving up on any of the RBs left in the building. But at the same time they need at least one or two more so more than likely they'll draft one. Just not sure it will be in the first round although Henry showed tonight how valuable one good one can be.

By the way buh bye patsies... thanks to the Fins!
 

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Fitzmagic made the Pats first round bye disappear. He also got the first win in Gillette in a long time. His confidence along with his ability make him a good leader.

Is anyone worried that Brady will re-sign with the Pats? I'm not. Fitzpatrick outplayed Brady in the game. Brady would have been better off retiring after their last SB win.
Belichick has been getting outcoached recently. He lacks confidence in his offense. We saw that in the Fins game when they ran the clock out in the first half. The longer he stays in the league the less he will look like a genius. Btw the Pats will be embarrassed again soon for Spygate 2.0

The Fins could wait until the 2nd round and still get a high quality RB.
 

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Laird has been versatile at RB and could provide depth. He has shown good pass catching ability. The team needs more talent at the position. I thought that Ballage would have been better. He seems to have the talent. The Fins should pick one the top 5 players at the position. The team has the draft capital to get it done. As the oline keeps improving the running game will also improve.

I like Laird for sure. But I see him more of a matchup nightmare/specialist type player. He was able to carry the load, so to speak, in the small sample size that was asked of him late in the season. With all do respect to him, I don't think his game is one that could withstand an entire season given his relentless style of play on every play -- I think he would wear down sooner than later throughout the course of a season that way.

I prefer him as a change-of-pace RB/matchup specialist type player like I said before.

I also still believe in Ballage - I thought he should've gotten in the mix a lot sooner than he did - along with the fact that -- as I said earlier in the pre-season/season, having Fitzpatrick at QB would pretty much make Ballage, as well as the rest of the running-game useless -- as we saw.

Ballage is a change-of-pace back -- he is a power RB/short yardage RB that can break some big runs - more than an every-down guy. If the Dolphins are going to move to a more spread/fast-paced offensive scheme, be it with Gailey or any other OC that runs the system -- it would be even more reason for the Dolphins to find a little more speed at the RB position. That being said, while I see both Ballage and Laird as power-runners, one thing we have seen them have the ability to do is catch the ball out of the back-field.

The Dolphins certainly have the opportunity to have a more balanced offense -- it is just a matter of them getting themselves a QB that will allow them to do that.
 

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Tua scheduled to announce his decision tomorrow at Noon eastern time. Already conflicting reports about his decision -- but most saying he will opt to stay - even if he sits out the season.
 

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by the way, this move by Tua to wait to make this decision and do so in this manner makes him look like a bit of a diva -- not the kind of personality we should want on this team - nor one I think this staff wants.
 

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I like Laird for sure. But I see him more of a matchup nightmare/specialist type player. He was able to carry the load, so to speak, in the small sample size that was asked of him late in the season. With all do respect to him, I don't think his game is one that could withstand an entire season given his relentless style of play on every play -- I think he would wear down sooner than later throughout the course of a season that way.

I prefer him as a change-of-pace RB/matchup specialist type player like I said before.

I also still believe in Ballage - I thought he should've gotten in the mix a lot sooner than he did - along with the fact that -- as I said earlier in the pre-season/season, having Fitzpatrick at QB would pretty much make Ballage, as well as the rest of the running-game useless -- as we saw.

Ballage is a change-of-pace back -- he is a power RB/short yardage RB that can break some big runs - more than an every-down guy. If the Dolphins are going to move to a more spread/fast-paced offensive scheme, be it with Gailey or any other OC that runs the system -- it would be even more reason for the Dolphins to find a little more speed at the RB position. That being said, while I see both Ballage and Laird as power-runners, one thing we have seen them have the ability to do is catch the ball out of the back-field.

The Dolphins certainly have the opportunity to have a more balanced offense -- it is just a matter of them getting themselves a QB that will allow them to do that.
I think part of the problem had to be O'Shea that's why he was turfed same with the oline coach. If they don't call run plays it stops there. Perhaps they had no confidence but then you have to work harder at it and not give up. That's why it's shocking that they went 5-4 down the stretch with no running game.

Definitely need another RB in the draft but you are right doesn't have to be in the first. I'm still keeping the others as you need more than one. Laird makes for a good pass catching multipurpose back similar to white. Ballage power he should get better with a decent oline.
 

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By the way, wtf is this "red-shirting" shit people keep talking about in here with Tua? This is the NFL -- there is no such a thing in the NFL. Stop the nonsense.
 

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I think part of the problem had to be O'Shea that's why he was turfed same with the oline coach. If they don't call run plays it stops there. Perhaps they had no confidence but then you have to work harder at it and not give up. That's why it's shocking that they went 5-4 down the stretch with no running game.

Definitely need another RB in the draft but you are right doesn't have to be in the first. I'm still keeping the others as you need more than one. Laird makes for a good pass catching multipurpose back similar to white. Ballage power he should get better with a decent oline.

As easy as it was to be critical of the defense - they did make their share of plays down the stretch to help in some of those wins -- especially the young guys -- even though some don't want to give them credit because they are afraid that would signal a bright future for those guys and the team -- and, of course, some in here think the Dolphins should "tank".
 

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Good article explains the QB situation. Hard from our side to be 100% confident as we don’t know where Tua is or Rosen for that matter. I believe if it’s Tua then they’d want Fitz but if it’s another drafted QB that could compete next year with Rosen they may pass on Fitz and move forward. I don’t see another FA QB coming in they’d probably stay with Fitz as he’s cheap and knows the system.

What should the Miami Dolphins do at quarterback for 2020?
 
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