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White Sox give Qualifying Offer to Abreu

Discussion in 'Chicago White Sox' started by Jiddy, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    I guess they're just covering their behinds. If Jose does get a better offer from another team, we'll at least get a high draft choice. I'm going with what most writers are saying tho and that's he'll still end up as a member of the White Sox when it's all said and done.
     
  3. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    Abreu's been good to the Sox and has been embraced by the whole organization...If Reinsdorf lets him walk for market price, he's going to be solidifying the position of folks who think he's a sh*t owner...because this is typically where he doesn't let us down.
     
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    I bet he takes the QO
     
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    Now THAT would be an interesting turn of events.
     
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    i'm hoping he leaves. it's not that i don't like him but, he's past his prime and keeping him ties the sox's hands in some ways and who needs that? if they aren't going to go all out to get top pitching then they aren't serious about competing anyway. save the money.
     
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    Well Yardbarker has the Yanks signing him to a 3 year deal for $51m. If that were true, that would give us a draft pick after the 1st round is completed. But I still think the Sox will get a deal done with him and not tie up a ton of $$ in doing so. Maybe a 3 year deal, with a club option for that 3rd year. We'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    IMO, this would be an example of Reinsdorf and company doing something uncharacteristic. Sure. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Normally we would keep a guy like Abreu around for casual fan interest, etc.

    But...

    He's a 2 to 2.5 WAR offensive first baseman, bad defensively and at best he can maintain that for another year or two. The end is near. That's not production that you should necessarily be throwing money at. Especially in the midst of a time where you REALLY need to start winning baseball games and following through on this promise of a rebuild.

    The young guys will be sad to see him go but it's a business. They'll act like professionals and move on. Maybe it's even time for a couple of the younger guys to step into the leadership role. It's their team now.

    Abreu leaving would have some of the casual fan-base throwing their arms in the air. But at the end of the day this guy just isn't a prize anymore. High K, low walk, low OBP guy. God knows we've had enough of those. With power numbers that just aren't quite good enough to overcome that and only going downward from here.

    I think leaving him off of the payroll could open up some interesting possibilities.
     
  9. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    One of the worst offenses in the league and you guys want to dump the AL RBI leader, who is the MOST LIKELY actual decent player to sign here this offseason. Beggars can't be choosers boys. Let's just not save Reinsdorf's money in this instance. First Base is a couple years off for the rook so a 3 year deal will hardly cripple us. We missed on the Martinez guy, so exactly who fills the 3 glaring holes if Abreu leaves, particularly his 123 ribbies? What's the plan here if we actually think we're going to be competitive in 2020 while dumping Abreu?
     
  10. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    FTR, JD Martinez is the same age as Abreu...I'm lost on how the latter is washed up but the former was ideal...
     
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    Excellent point. And the other consideration when discussing a player's talent and worth in his 'declining' years is how much athleticism deteriorates as the seasons roll on, and how much wear and tear has the body taken during that period. In Abreu's case, very little if any at all. First off, he's always been more hitter than athlete. His build, his compact swing & bat speed have not changed one bit. This is the kind of hitter who can and likely will still be very productive into his late 30's.

    Yet I'm still for only offering Abreu a limited contract - max three years with the last of those including a club option. But that's mainly because we have Andrew Vaughn waiting in the wings, and my hope is he'll be joining the parent club at some point in the 2021/2022 season. That would make for the perfect transition.
     
  12. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    I would just pay the guy market value for 3 years and call it a day. Don't be cheapasses about it. They would still have about 30 million in payroll after that kind of contract to get back to just an average MLB payroll...more than enough to make a few more splashes. We all know the Sox are not signing a top market guy that wants a 200 million plus contract and all that dumb sh*t...that's just for hype and selling season tickets/ad clicks...so there will be plenty to fill the rest of the spots after Abreu.

    That's not to say he's irreplaceable or anything...but you better damn well know what you are doing if you have 2 horrendously bad holes on your offense ALREADY before considering his spot while already being one of the worst offensive teams in baseball...Abreu is the one goddamn constant that our team has had for Chrissake.
     
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    While we may haggle a bit on that last year, we are in agreement about Abreu and his relative value to the team. Now everyone knows that he led the AL in RBIs, but some may not realize that his 18.2% of total team RBIs led the majors (Jorge Soler's 17.9% was second). That has to carry some value. And as you alluded, just where does this offensive replacement to that gaping hole come from if he departs? Even taking into account the Sox having ended with a bit of a bang offensively, especially in the last month of the season, we still ended the 2019 campaign ranked a dismal 24th (13th in the AL) in crossing the plate. We need guys who can drive in runs.

    So would I prefer a 3 year deal with that last year being at a club option? Definitely. But could I live having Abreu receive a full 3 year deal minus any options? Again, definitely.
     
  14. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    They blow Abreu's negotiations with some dumbass sh*t like Machado and "offering but not really offering that last year(s)" sh*t and we go on to sh*t the bed on offense next year, look the f*ck out. You think people were negative after this disaster of a season... Just sayin'.
     
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    Well...

    One happens to be one of THE ABSOLUTE premier hitters in baseball and is two years removed from a season when he hit at a 60+ HR pace (45 in 119 games). Has been putting up Hall of Fame numbers. Averaging an OPS of 1.000 and a slugging percentage of .600 over the past 3 seasons. With a WAR of 14.7 during that time. Finished 4th in MVP voting and won the Silver Slugger in 2018.

    The other is above average and his last two seasons have been his worst seasons. He's averaging an OPS of around .850 over the past three seasons. A slugging percentage closer to .500 and a WAR that is a little over half of Martinez over the past three seasons at 8.9. Also, while playing first base. Which is obviously a little more generous for your offensive WAR than Designated Hitter.
     
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    Now, look at those two players, those numbers and tell me what they have in common.
     
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    If Abreu could somehow get his OBP higher than a steady .325 to .330 and quit K'ing so much. Sure.

    I mean, look... FAAARRRRR worse things could happen than us bringing back Abreu. But when you look at this from a pure numbers standpoint. We shouldn't have such a strong sentimental attachment to the guy. I think it stands a better chance of burning us than paying off.
     
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    Jose Abreu drove in 123 runs because he had a .419 BABIP (not a typo) with RISP and 2 outs. A guy who hit .283... had a batting average on balls in play.... of .419 with RISP 2 outs over an entire season. Great googly moogly.

    What's more amazing is that it also happened in 2017. Seriously, the guy should play the lotto except he doesn't need to.

    Guys have posted .700 OPS's with 100 RBI seasons. It's a pretty obsolete statistic that has more to do with the situations you come to the plate during. It is also subject to fluctuations caused by fluke anomalies that can happen during the smaller sample sizes of your hitting within them. Like a .419 BABIP.

    "Oh my god, how could you say batting in runs is obsolete?"... I'm guessing will be a portion of the response.
     
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    Hmmmm....they're both black and hispanic?
     
  20. Jiddy

    Jiddy You were supposed to be the chosen one Mitch.

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    Abreu is no Frank Thomas...but dogging Abreu as if we have any better options? lulz We should sign him. End of story. He is the BEST player that we will legitimately sign this offseason. There is no better free agent player that will end up donning a White Sox uniform in 2020. Understand that richi. It's not that he's the greatest player ever...It's that you can forget about improving upon him. It's not going to happen. Quote every stat in the book and how he should play the lotto or whatever...It is what it is.

    I mean...You're talking about Corey Dickerson being a decent player in the other thread and then dogging Abreu here? Nah...And if your argument is saving Jerry and Co. dollars...Don't even waste your time.