Which of the following pitching feats is the most impressive to you and in your opinion the least likely to happen again?

[saturdaysarebetter]

Greetings everyone.

Which of the following pitching feats is the most impressive to you and in your opinion the least likely to happen again?

A. A pitcher win 30 games in a season. Detroit Denny McClain in 1968 31 wins.
Previously done by Dizzy Dean in 1934 with 30 wins.

B. A pitching staff with four 20-game winners. Baltimore in 1971: Dave McNally 21 wins, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar and Pat Dobson all with 20 wins each.
Previously done by the 1920 Chicago White Sox.

C. A pitching staff with five 16-game winners. The 1998 Atlanta Braves: Tom Glavine 20, Greg Maddux 18, John Smoltz 17, Kevin Millwood 17, and Denny Neagle 16.
Previously done by the 1923 New York Yankees.

 

[Cedrique]

Greetings everyone.

Which of the following pitching feats is the most impressive to you and in your opinion the least likely to happen again?

A. A pitcher win 30 games in a season. Detroit Denny McClain in 1968 31 wins.
Previously done by Dizzy Dean in 1934 with 30 wins.

B. A pitching staff with four 20-game winners. Baltimore in 1971: Dave McNally 21 wins, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar and Pat Dobson all with 20 wins each.
Previously done by the 1920 Chicago White Sox.

C. A pitching staff with five 16-game winners. The 1998 Atlanta Braves: Tom Glavine 20, Greg Maddux 18, John Smoltz 17, Kevin Millwood 17, and Denny Neagle 16.
Previously done by the 1923 New York Yankees.

They all seem unlikely at the moment but I can't imagine anyone ever winning 30 games again, when even the ace of the staff only gets around 32 starts a season.

 

[TheGoodMan19]

A or B will never happen again. C is possible I guess. A team with quality, efficient starters and a powerful offense. A team that often jumps out to a 6+ lead early. Starters leave with big leads and cheap wins. Such a team probably rus away with their division, so the starters get rested, keeping four of them from 20 wins.

 

[fknhippie]

Hell, I'd like to see one just pitch a complete game.

 

[TheGoodMan19]

Greetings everyone.

Which of the following pitching feats is the most impressive to you and in your opinion the least likely to happen again?

A. A pitcher win 30 games in a season. Detroit Denny McClain in 1968 31 wins.
Previously done by Dizzy Dean in 1934 with 30 wins.

B. A pitching staff with four 20-game winners. Baltimore in 1971: Dave McNally 21 wins, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar and Pat Dobson all with 20 wins each.
Previously done by the 1920 Chicago White Sox.

C. A pitching staff with five 16-game winners. The 1998 Atlanta Braves: Tom Glavine 20, Greg Maddux 18, John Smoltz 17, Kevin Millwood 17, and Denny Neagle 16.
Previously done by the 1923 New York Yankees.

I had to look up the 1923 Yanks pitching staff. Seven pitchers with over 100 career wins, six with over 195 wins. Two HOFers, Waite Hoyt and Herb Pennock. Sad Sam Jones, Bob Shawkey, Joe Bush, Carl Mays and George Pipgras the other. You don't see it mentioned a lot but that was a hell of a staff.

 

[broncosmitty]

A seems the least likely to happen again at this point.

 

[msgkings322]

Greetings everyone.

Which of the following pitching feats is the most impressive to you and in your opinion the least likely to happen again?

A. A pitcher win 30 games in a season. Detroit Denny McClain in 1968 31 wins.
Previously done by Dizzy Dean in 1934 with 30 wins.

B. A pitching staff with four 20-game winners. Baltimore in 1971: Dave McNally 21 wins, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar and Pat Dobson all with 20 wins each.
Previously done by the 1920 Chicago White Sox.

C. A pitching staff with five 16-game winners. The 1998 Atlanta Braves: Tom Glavine 20, Greg Maddux 18, John Smoltz 17, Kevin Millwood 17, and Denny Neagle 16.
Previously done by the 1923 New York Yankees.

Great questions, all are unlikely but the 30 game winner seems the most unlikely...

Here's one that will never ever happen again. In the 2005 ALDS the White Sox lost game 1 to the Angels. The next 4 games the Sox won all 4, with their pitcher throwing a complete game in each one. That will for sure never ever happen again in the playoffs. I doubt we'll ever see 3 in a row.

 

[msgkings322]

Hell, I'd like to see one just pitch a complete game.

Right? Snell had never pitched past the 7th inning until his no hitter with the Giants.

 

[fknhippie]

Right? Snell had never pitched past the 7th inning until his no hitter with the Giants.

NEW YORK — There were a record-low 26 complete games in the major leagues this season — four fewer than Catfish Hunter threw in 1975 —

 

[msgkings322]

NEW YORK — There were a record-low 26 complete games in the major leagues this season — four fewer than Catfish Hunter threw in 1975 —

It's a different game. In the best players ever threads we've been talking about how the pre 1900 pitchers would routinely throw like 600 innings per year LOL. This is true of most sports, things change...compare stats in the NFL and NBA to the past and it's similar for some things like QB stats and 3 pointers

 

[TheGoodMan19]

It's a different game. In the best players ever threads we've been talking about how the pre 1900 pitchers would routinely throw like 600 innings per year LOL. This is true of most sports, things change...compare stats in the NFL and NBA to the past and it's similar for some things like QB stats and 3 pointers

19th Century pitchers were junkballers. Pitcher could throw hard as catchers didn't wear gloves or rudimentary gloves. Off speed junk an lollipop curves. No strain on the arm or shoulder

 

[msgkings322]

19th Century pitchers were junkballers. Pitcher could throw hard as catchers didn't wear gloves or rudimentary gloves. Off speed junk an lollipop curves. No strain on the arm or shoulder

Yeah today pitchers do FAR more pitch types and throw a ton faster. Of course they all need TJ surgery and can't go 9.

 

[TheGoodMan19]

Yeah today pitchers do FAR more pitch types and throw a ton faster. Of course they all need TJ surgery and can't go 9.

I wish someone could explain this to me. No one today throws harder than Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, Bob Feller. How many starts did they miss? ever see film of Walter Johnson? He threw gas with that funky sidearm delivery. Carl Hubbell threw the screwball for 16 seasons, a pitch that goes against the arms natural motion. With sports medicine, MRI's, CT's, personal trainers, pitchers today can't throw seven innings. Why?

 

[msgkings322]

I wish someone could explain this to me. No one today throws harder than Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, Bob Feller. How many starts did they miss? ever see film of Walter Johnson? He threw gas with that funky sidearm delivery. Carl Hubbell threw the screwball for 16 seasons, a pitch that goes against the arms natural motion. With sports medicine, MRI's, CT's, personal trainers, pitchers today can't throw seven innings. Why?

Way more offspeed pitches mainly. And throwing a lot more as kids?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

all are unlikely to happen again.

But i think 3 is the least likely.

1. Maybe just maybe a pitcher can be dominant enough to win almost every game he pitches. An ace should still get over 30 starts.

2. 3 pitchers to get 20 wins?? Same thing as 1. If 3 pitchers go past 5 innings almost every appearance and they are on a good team then yes it is possible.

3. I don’t even think it is possible anymore. Most teams have bullpen games. And I don’t think any team has 5 starters that all go over 16 games pitched. There could be. Maybe this would be possible if a relieve gets 16 wins.

 

[Kings4OT]

Of that list A seems least likely

Fellers 36? Complete games seems totally impossible.

 

[YourFriendGannon]

I think the better questions would be how many games long would the MLB regular season have to be in order to make it conceivable that each record could be broken? For example could you conceive of a 30 game winner if the season was 200 games?

 

[Shanemansj13]

all are unlikely to happen again.

But i think 3 is the least likely.

1. Maybe just maybe a pitcher can be dominant enough to win almost every game he pitches. An ace should still get over 30 starts.

2. 3 pitchers to get 20 wins?? Same thing as 1. If 3 pitchers go past 5 innings almost every appearance and they are on a good team then yes it is possible.

3. I don’t even think it is possible anymore. Most teams have bullpen games. And I don’t think any team has 5 starters that all go over 16 games pitched. There could be. Maybe this would be possible if a relieve gets 16 wins.

Since 1991 the most wins by a pitcher has been 24, 4 times.
The last time a SP got 30 wins was 1968 but before that 1934. At where baseball is now it seems basically impossible. A pitcher would basically have to win at least 85-90% of his starts.

 

[wilwhite]

And I don’t think any team has 5 starters that all go over 16 games pitched. There could be. Maybe this would be possible if a relieve gets 16 wins.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Since 1991 the most wins by a pitcher has been 24, 4 times.
The last time a SP got 30 wins was 1968 but before that 1934. At where baseball is now it seems basically impossible. A pitcher would basically have to win at least 85-90% of his starts.

Yes. And?? Still the most possible of the 3.