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When the Green Bay Packers take the field at Lambeau on Sunday for their home opener, they won't be the only ones taking aim at the Washington Redskins.


Packers fans walking in to Lambeau Field through the Oneida Nation Gate will see Oneida members and others protesting the use of the Redskins logo and mascot, which they say is offensive to Native Americans.


"The warrior image is not the image we want to be portrayed," said Brandon Stevens, an Oneida Nation elected official. "We've moved past the time of Western encroachment and how the West was won, and that's where all the images are taken from — when we were a valiant enemy."


Members of the Wisconsin Indian Education Association's Mascot and Logo Task Force are expected to gather outside Lambeau Field before the noon game holding signs protesting the Washington Redskins' choice of mascot. The group also has scheduled a seminar on the topic on Friday at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay.


The Packers declined to comment on the mascot issue. The protesters contacted the team to ask permission to hold signs outside the stadium, and the Packers will set up an area where they'll be allowed to protest.
"We respect that reasonable people may have differing views," National Football League spokesman Brian McCarthy said Tuesday in an email. "The name from its origin was always intended to be positive and has always been used by the team in a highly respectful manner."

A Washington Redskins spokesman did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
It's not just the Oneida Nation in Green Bay pressing the Redskins to change their mascot. The Oneida tribe in upstate New York already has publicly called on the NFL team to get rid of the name.
In a radio ad that began airing Monday before the Redskins season opener, a member of the New York Oneida tribe called on NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to "stand up to bigotry" by denouncing "the racial slur" in the team's name.


Redskins owner Dan Snyder has said he'll never change his team's name.
For more than two decades the Oneida tribe in Wisconsin has opposed the use of Indian characters and names in insensitive ways including sports teams, Oneida Nation spokeswoman Bobbi Webster said. When the Redskins last visited Lambeau, in October 2007, Oneida members held signs at the stadium saying they were not mascots, Webster said.


The topic is timely given the standoff between the Mukwonago School District and the state Department of Public Instruction over the school's use of the Indian logo and mascot. The state's deadline for Mukwonago to drop its Indian mascot passed last month. The School Board in July voted to take no action to change the nickname and logo, despite the possibility of daily fines for not complying with the state order.


On Sunday the protest group plans to provide information to Packers fans lining up to get inside the stadium, raising awareness of sports mascots and logos that are derogatory to Native Americans. Webster said it's not an official protest by the Oneida Nation, which is a major sponsor of the Packers and has the naming rights to the entrance on Lambeau Field's east side.


Stevens, a member of the tribe's business committee, said Native Americans are no longer simply fierce warriors. "We're educators, we're community members, we have families and go to work like everyone else," Stevens said. "Having those negative stereotypes takes us back 100 years."






Okay, change the name as to not offend them then force unpaid taxes on the millions made from their casino.


Fair enough??
 

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Here we go again... I have seen this thread on too many sites. (Not your fault)...

But seriously, if everyone is going to complain about these types of issues then where will it ever end???

The next Men In Black movie is going to be titled, "Men In Suits"... But of course, that could upset the female society, so maybe "People In Suits"... But then animals (Or PETA) could get upset, so maybe "Organisms In Suits"...
 

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hahahah good point

Remember when ACE Hardware's slogan was "ACE is the place with the helpful hardware men" was change to "persons"? For Christ Sake

very akin to when Marquette "had" to change it's name from the Warriors even though no racial connotations including mascot pictures were used. Cause you know, when I hear the word Warriors, I immediately think of racism.

This county is beyond pussified
 

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Okay, change the name as to not offend them then force unpaid taxes on the millions made from their casino.


Fair enough??



Almost fair enough.... but to be completely fair though, you would give them their continent back and at least apologize for systematically killing the majority of their ancestors.
 

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I had nothing to do with killing their ancestors


aren't we all Native Americans?
 

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Almost fair enough.... but to be completely fair though, you would give them their continent back and at least apologize for systematically killing the majority of their ancestors.

Please... Call me naive, but I fail to see the connection between the words "Redskins" or "Warriors" and "Western Encroachment" or "N.A. War". For a genealogy that takes such pride in its roots, you would think that if a top tier American franchise pays homage to their roots that would make them happy.
 

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I had nothing to do with killing their ancestors


aren't we all Native Americans?


No


Native Americans are the poor bastards who were unfortunate enough to be alive when the Europeans showed up and began systematically slaughtering them by the thousands and moving them into camps errr...reservations.

Same people who enslaved Africans and forced them to build America and then later placed Japanese Americans in internment camps during WWII.

But fuck all that history, the name is cool so too bad.
 

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Peter King of SI says he's going to refer them as "Washington's football team" in all his articles that apply. He's done using the term Redskin.
 

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Personally I don't have a problem with names like Indians, Aztecs, Seminoles, Sioux, Mohawks, or, Seminoles.

But Redskins is a straight kick to the nuts.

Then again it's really not my place to get offended since I'm a Cracker.
 

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Here we go again... I have seen this thread on too many sites. (Not your fault)...

But seriously, if everyone is going to complain about these types of issues then where will it ever end???

The next Men In Black movie is going to be titled, "Men In Suits"... But of course, that could upset the female society, so maybe "People In Suits"... But then animals (Or PETA) could get upset, so maybe "Organisms In Suits"...

Washington Noble Native Americans


on a related note Somalians are setting up protests in Tampa and Oakland , condemning the portrayal of pirates as swashbuckling eyepatch wearing peg legs . :wtf2:

Where does it end?
 

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I had nothing to do with killing their ancestors


aren't we all Native Americans?

Oh ok, well as long as you showed up after the ethnic cleansing of the continent.... no one needs to apologize.

I am just saying, your comment that if they want us to stop using the Redskin name with a picture of an angry and combative native american then they need to pay taxes on their casino's is more than a little ridiculous considering this countries history. If you don't get that because you yourself wasnt the one killing indians... I won't ever be able to make you see my point I guess.
 
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Washington Noble Native Americans


on a related note Somalians are setting up protests in Tampa and Oakland , condemning the portrayal of pirates as swashbuckling eyepatch wearing peg legs . :wtf2:

Where does it end?


Really.... comparing Somalians association with Buccaneers with the the name "Redskins" and its association with native americans? Can you get more ridiculous?


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Yeah, somalians should be as offended as native americans..... :L


I am not saying they should change their name, but anyone who can't understand why they would be offended is just being a dick.
 

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Oh ok, well as long as you showed up after the ethnic cleansing of the continent.... no one needs to apologize.

I am just saying, your comment that if they want us to stop using the Redskin name with a picture of an angry and combative native american then they need to pay taxes on their casino's is more than a little ridiculous considering this countries history. If you don't get that because you yourself wasnt the one killing indians... I won't ever be able to make you see my point I guess.


he doesn't look angry or combative

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At what point is enough enough? No one in this generation is guilty of those sins that were committed. On the other hand, most everyone in the Native American generation is still reaping the benefits of getting butt fucked hundreds of years ago.

I do not condone racism and am not offended by their emblem or the term even though I have quite a bit of Menomonee heritage in my blood.
 

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No


Native Americans are the poor bastards who were unfortunate enough to be alive when the Europeans showed up and began systematically slaughtering them by the thousands and moving them into camps errr...reservations.

Same people who enslaved Africans and forced them to build America and then later placed Japanese Americans in internment camps during WWII.

But fuck all that history, the name is cool so too bad.

Yes, because native Americans were all peace-loving individuals in one cohesive group who lived perfectly with the land and were eternally happy, right?
 

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Everybody involved in this needs euthanized. This is fucking retarded.
 

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My personal thoughts have always been, why name your team after a group of people that got absolutely owned? Kinda like, the Trojans. They lost the war, why would you want that as your team name?
 

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My personal thoughts have always been, why name your team after a group of people that got absolutely owned? Kinda like, the Trojans. They lost the war, why would you want that as your team name?


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