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There's a general consensus that with most of the heavy lifting done, especially on defense, the next moves must, out of necessity, be laser-focused on the offensive side of the ball. The two most prominent positions of need are WR and Center, one IMHO due to years of neglect, the other, for reasons unclear, made purposely. When asked to post this thread, my immediate thought was to jump on it quickly, but the more I considered it, the more I was convinced to give it at least one night and part of today before proceeding. It turns out that by waiting, answering the questions posed to me, specifically, "How would you (meaning me) address the WR room?"
"How many, which round(s), and who would you (I) target?" "How many and who would you target?" "Who would you trade for and what is the compensation for the player?" and finally, "Draft, Trade, Free Agency, what combo would you pursue and who are the targets?"

Tackling the first question first, Center, we know for certain that Nick Allegretti made it clear that he is in line to compete for the job and, in doing so, faced some backlash over his ability to bring no more than what Biadiasz had already been providing. The reasonable explanations for releasing Biadasz before getting his replacement are a dead certainty that his replacement is already in-house or will be soon, and/or to give him the full advantage of the "open" period. I suspect they are targeting Connor Lew out of Auburn, the top center in this class, who likely fell out of first or second round considerations due to injury concerns.

Most of the questions about the WR room I have addressed along the way and in different threads, but I don't mind reposting them if it helps. Because of the extremely weak FA class, the first and easiest option is via trade. My targets were/are Brian Thomas Jr, Chris Olave, and a long shot, amid reports, Marvin Harrison Jr., to go along with the still expected Brandon Aiyuk whenever that situation clears. My offers for either are a 5th round pick or, because I suspect they'll want something else, Daron Payne in a direct swap. The team needs wide receivers, and by my count, they need at least 3 new talents for Daniels to target. I've given you two, Aiyuk plus either Olave, Thomas Jr, or Harrison Jr, with the third coming from the draft. Carnell Tate at #7 is far too rich for my tastes at that pick, and he's likely not going to be available in later rounds, so for me, he's not in consideration. While not overly impressed with this class, there are three guys that Washington might target in rounds 3 and 4 who would help this woefully inadequate staff. They are;

1. Jordyn Tyson- Arizona State 6' 2" 203lbs and runs a 4.5 forty.

2. Makai Lemon, USC, 5' 11", 192 lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

3. Denzel Boston, Washington, 6' 4", 212 lb,s runs a 4.52 forty

4. Chris Bell, Louisville, 6' 2" 222lbs runs a 4.4 forty (my sleeper)

5. Jakobi Lane USC 6' 4" 200lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

Let me add two speedy guys who are on my radar because I wanted the Commanders to get Rashid Shaheed, and they didn't. ( Both are rather small for my taste, but you cannot discount this kind of speed.)

1. Brenen Thompson, Mississippi State, 5' 9" 170lbs and runs a 4.26 forty (a late round pick as BPA at position of need)

2. Zavion Thomas, LSU, 5' 10" 190lbs runs a 4.28 forty (another late round pick as BPA at position of need)

For now, the plan for AP and Washington has to be to exercise patience and play the waiting game. We are two days into the official free agency period, and there are going to be guys let loose post-June 1 cuts as the offseason moves closer to training camp. I see that he's panicked a bit and bought in what we can only assume are camp bodies (Dyami Brown and Van Jefferson) until more talented players become available.
 
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There's a general consensus that with most of the heavy lifting done, especially on defense, the next moves must, out of necessity, be laser-focused on the offensive side of the ball. The two most prominent positions of need are WR and Center, one IMHO due to years of neglect, the other, for reasons unclear, made purposely. When asked to post this thread, my immediate thought was to jump on it quickly, but the more I considered it, the more I was convinced to give it at least one night and part of today before proceeding. It turns out that by waiting, answering the questions posed to me, specifically, "How would you (meaning me) address the WR room?"
"How many, which round(s), and who would you (I) target?" "How many and who would you target?" "Who would you trade for and what is the compensation for the player?" and finally, "Draft, Trade, Free Agency, what combo would you pursue and who are the targets?"

Tackling the first question first, Center, we know for certain that Nick Allegretti made it clear that he is in line to compete for the job and, in doing so, faced some backlash over his ability to bring no more than what Biadiasz had already been providing. The reasonable explanations for releasing Biadasz before getting his replacement are a dead certainty that his replacement is already in-house or will be soon, and/or to give him the full advantage of the "open" period. I suspect they are targeting Connor Lew out of Auburn, the top center in this class, who likely fell out of first or second round considerations due to injury concerns.

Most of the questions about the WR room I have addressed along the way and in different threads, but I don't mind reposting them if it helps. Because of the extremely weak FA class, the first and easiest option is via trade. My targets were/are Brian Thomas Jr, Chris Olave, and a long shot, amid reports, Marvin Harrison Jr., to go along with the still expected Brandon Aiyuk whenever that situation clears. My offers for either are a 5th round pick or, because I suspect they'll want something else, Daron Payne in a direct swap. The team needs wide receivers, and by my count, they need at least 3 new talents for Daniels to target. I've given you two, Aiyuk plus either Olave, Thomas Jr, or Harrison Jr, with the third coming from the draft. Carnell Tate at #7 is far too rich for my tastes at that pick, and he's likely not going to be available in later rounds, so for me, he's not in consideration. While not overly impressed with this class, there are three guys that Washington might target in rounds 3 and 4 who would help this woefully inadequate staff. They are;

1. Jordyn Tyson- Arizona State 6' 2" 203lbs and runs a 4.5 forty.

2. Makai Lemon, USC, 5' 11", 192 lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

3. Denzel Boston, Washington, 6' 4", 212 lb,s runs a 4.52 forty

4. Chris Bell, Louisville, 6' 2" 222lbs runs a 4.4 forty (my sleeper)

Let me add two speedy guys who are on my radar because I wanted the Commanders to get Rashid Shaheed, and they didn't. ( Both are rather small for my taste, but you cannot discount this kind of speed.)

1. Brenen Thompson, Mississippi State, 5' 9" 170lbs and runs a 4.26 forty (a late round pick as BPA at position of need)

2. Zavion Thomas, LSU, 5' 10" 190lbs runs a 4.28 forty (another late round pick as BPA at position of need)

For now, the plan for AP and Washington has to be to exercise patience and play the waiting game. We are two days into the official free agency period, and there are going to be guys let loose post-June 1 cuts as the offseason moves closer to training camp. I see that he's panicked a bit and bought in what we can only assume are camp bodies (Dyami Brown and Van Jefferson) until more talented players become available.

you got Tyson and Lemon in rounds 3 and 4?
 

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There's a general consensus that with most of the heavy lifting done, especially on defense, the next moves must, out of necessity, be laser-focused on the offensive side of the ball. The two most prominent positions of need are WR and Center, one IMHO due to years of neglect, the other, for reasons unclear, made purposely. When asked to post this thread, my immediate thought was to jump on it quickly, but the more I considered it, the more I was convinced to give it at least one night and part of today before proceeding. It turns out that by waiting, answering the questions posed to me, specifically, "How would you (meaning me) address the WR room?"
"How many, which round(s), and who would you (I) target?" "How many and who would you target?" "Who would you trade for and what is the compensation for the player?" and finally, "Draft, Trade, Free Agency, what combo would you pursue and who are the targets?"

Tackling the first question first, Center, we know for certain that Nick Allegretti made it clear that he is in line to compete for the job and, in doing so, faced some backlash over his ability to bring no more than what Biadiasz had already been providing. The reasonable explanations for releasing Biadasz before getting his replacement are a dead certainty that his replacement is already in-house or will be soon, and/or to give him the full advantage of the "open" period. I suspect they are targeting Connor Lew out of Auburn, the top center in this class, who likely fell out of first or second round considerations due to injury concerns.

Most of the questions about the WR room I have addressed along the way and in different threads, but I don't mind reposting them if it helps. Because of the extremely weak FA class, the first and easiest option is via trade. My targets were/are Brian Thomas Jr, Chris Olave, and a long shot, amid reports, Marvin Harrison Jr., to go along with the still expected Brandon Aiyuk whenever that situation clears. My offers for either are a 5th round pick or, because I suspect they'll want something else, Daron Payne in a direct swap. The team needs wide receivers, and by my count, they need at least 3 new talents for Daniels to target. I've given you two, Aiyuk plus either Olave, Thomas Jr, or Harrison Jr, with the third coming from the draft. Carnell Tate at #7 is far too rich for my tastes at that pick, and he's likely not going to be available in later rounds, so for me, he's not in consideration. While not overly impressed with this class, there are three guys that Washington might target in rounds 3 and 4 who would help this woefully inadequate staff. They are;

1. Jordyn Tyson- Arizona State 6' 2" 203lbs and runs a 4.5 forty.

2. Makai Lemon, USC, 5' 11", 192 lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

3. Denzel Boston, Washington, 6' 4", 212 lb,s runs a 4.52 forty

4. Chris Bell, Louisville, 6' 2" 222lbs runs a 4.4 forty (my sleeper)

5. Jakobi Lane USC 6' 4" 200lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

Let me add two speedy guys who are on my radar because I wanted the Commanders to get Rashid Shaheed, and they didn't. ( Both are rather small for my taste, but you cannot discount this kind of speed.)

1. Brenen Thompson, Mississippi State, 5' 9" 170lbs and runs a 4.26 forty (a late round pick as BPA at position of need)

2. Zavion Thomas, LSU, 5' 10" 190lbs runs a 4.28 forty (another late round pick as BPA at position of need)

For now, the plan for AP and Washington has to be to exercise patience and play the waiting game. We are two days into the official free agency period, and there are going to be guys let loose post-June 1 cuts as the offseason moves closer to training camp. I see that he's panicked a bit and bought in what we can only assume are camp bodies (Dyami Brown and Van Jefferson) until more talented players become available.
Always a good read Sty. Thomas from LSU is electric. My fav Branch might not be there at 71. Jakobi Lane was mocked to us by Standig.

I don't think Jefferson makes this roster. Could be proven wrong down the road. Additionally, this feels like AP telling Shanahan that if he thinks he's getting ANYTHING out of us for Aiyuk, he is mistaken.
 

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you got Tyson and Lemon in rounds 3 and 4?
For us, it's the only hopeful option because there's no 2nd round pick. I believe there will be a short run on WR in round two, which is why I listed 5. That short run will remove three at most, leaving two in round three.
 

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For us, it's the only hopeful option because there's no 2nd round pick. I believe there will be a short run on WR in round two, which is why I listed 5. That short run will remove three at most, leaving two in round three.

those guys are 1st round picks. Did you mean target in a trade down?
 

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Always a good read Sty. Thomas from LSU is electric. My fav Branch might not be there at 71. Jakobi Lane was mocked to us by Standig.

I don't think Jefferson makes this roster. Could be proven wrong down the road. Additionally, this feels like AP telling Shanahan that if he thinks he's getting ANYTHING out of us for Aiyuk, he is mistaken.
Gotta love what Thomas brings to the team, and NOBODY in the league is going to trade for Aiyuk unless there's a bout of stupidity going around!
 

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Always a good read Sty. Thomas from LSU is electric. My fav Branch might not be there at 71. Jakobi Lane was mocked to us by Standig.

I don't think Jefferson makes this roster. Could be proven wrong down the road. Additionally, this feels like AP telling Shanahan that if he thinks he's getting ANYTHING out of us for Aiyuk, he is mistaken.
Not only that, but what does Aiyuk have left?

He hasn't played really in 2 years. Is he really the hero we are looking for?

I want him here but I have no idea what he will bring here.
 

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There's a general consensus that with most of the heavy lifting done, especially on defense, the next moves must, out of necessity, be laser-focused on the offensive side of the ball. The two most prominent positions of need are WR and Center, one IMHO due to years of neglect, the other, for reasons unclear, made purposely. When asked to post this thread, my immediate thought was to jump on it quickly, but the more I considered it, the more I was convinced to give it at least one night and part of today before proceeding. It turns out that by waiting, answering the questions posed to me, specifically, "How would you (meaning me) address the WR room?"
"How many, which round(s), and who would you (I) target?" "How many and who would you target?" "Who would you trade for and what is the compensation for the player?" and finally, "Draft, Trade, Free Agency, what combo would you pursue and who are the targets?"

Tackling the first question first, Center, we know for certain that Nick Allegretti made it clear that he is in line to compete for the job and, in doing so, faced some backlash over his ability to bring no more than what Biadiasz had already been providing. The reasonable explanations for releasing Biadasz before getting his replacement are a dead certainty that his replacement is already in-house or will be soon, and/or to give him the full advantage of the "open" period. I suspect they are targeting Connor Lew out of Auburn, the top center in this class, who likely fell out of first or second round considerations due to injury concerns.

Most of the questions about the WR room I have addressed along the way and in different threads, but I don't mind reposting them if it helps. Because of the extremely weak FA class, the first and easiest option is via trade. My targets were/are Brian Thomas Jr, Chris Olave, and a long shot, amid reports, Marvin Harrison Jr., to go along with the still expected Brandon Aiyuk whenever that situation clears. My offers for either are a 5th round pick or, because I suspect they'll want something else, Daron Payne in a direct swap. The team needs wide receivers, and by my count, they need at least 3 new talents for Daniels to target. I've given you two, Aiyuk plus either Olave, Thomas Jr, or Harrison Jr, with the third coming from the draft. Carnell Tate at #7 is far too rich for my tastes at that pick, and he's likely not going to be available in later rounds, so for me, he's not in consideration. While not overly impressed with this class, there are three guys that Washington might target in rounds 3 and 4 who would help this woefully inadequate staff. They are;

1. Jordyn Tyson- Arizona State 6' 2" 203lbs and runs a 4.5 forty.

2. Makai Lemon, USC, 5' 11", 192 lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

3. Denzel Boston, Washington, 6' 4", 212 lb,s runs a 4.52 forty

4. Chris Bell, Louisville, 6' 2" 222lbs runs a 4.4 forty (my sleeper)

5. Jakobi Lane USC 6' 4" 200lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

Let me add two speedy guys who are on my radar because I wanted the Commanders to get Rashid Shaheed, and they didn't. ( Both are rather small for my taste, but you cannot discount this kind of speed.)

1. Brenen Thompson, Mississippi State, 5' 9" 170lbs and runs a 4.26 forty (a late round pick as BPA at position of need)

2. Zavion Thomas, LSU, 5' 10" 190lbs runs a 4.28 forty (another late round pick as BPA at position of need)

For now, the plan for AP and Washington has to be to exercise patience and play the waiting game. We are two days into the official free agency period, and there are going to be guys let loose post-June 1 cuts as the offseason moves closer to training camp. I see that he's panicked a bit and bought in what we can only assume are camp bodies (Dyami Brown and Van Jefferson) until more talented players become available.
Strategy is clear here:

Draft a starter in the early rounds. Picking a WR is an option at 7.

Allow competition for the 3,4, and 5 spots out of Burks, Jefferson, Brown, Lane, and Luke M.

Hope Aiyuk is available and can nail down the #2 role.
 

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Ok, that's your call, but if either gets picked in the first, I can only see it being Tyson, and that's very late (27, -32)

wait a minute you really believe Lemon and Tyson will be in the 3rd and 4th rounds?
 

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Strategy is clear here:

Draft a starter in the early rounds. Picking a WR is an option at 7.

Allow competition for the 3,4, and 5 spots out of Burks, Jefferson, Brown, Lane, and Luke M.

Hope Aiyuk is available and can nail down the #2 role.
Also, be persistent about those trade options. I want this team to be loaded at WR. Pulling off a trade before the draft opens up so many more options. Perhaps a bit unrealistic, but let's swing for the fences here. They can have Thomas jr/Olave, Aiyuk, Terry?, and the big fight for 4, 5 among Burks, Jefferson, Lane, Brown, Luke, and perhaps a rookie, yielding a formula that looks like this:
Really good run game + dangerous pass catchers = Jayden runs less.
 

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wait a minute you really believe Lemon and Tyson will be in the 3rd and 4th rounds?
I didn't say that... I said that it is the ONLY hopeful road for Washington to get one of the five that I listed.
 

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oh i see. my bad i read that wrong.
No problem, man. I'm always looking to improve how I communicate, and since there might be an issue with my post, I'll reread it as I normally do and, of course, critique myself. Thanks! (Grrrr Hatin' on that 10-minute limit to make changes)
 

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There's a general consensus that with most of the heavy lifting done, especially on defense, the next moves must, out of necessity, be laser-focused on the offensive side of the ball. The two most prominent positions of need are WR and Center, one IMHO due to years of neglect, the other, for reasons unclear, made purposely. When asked to post this thread, my immediate thought was to jump on it quickly, but the more I considered it, the more I was convinced to give it at least one night and part of today before proceeding. It turns out that by waiting, answering the questions posed to me, specifically, "How would you (meaning me) address the WR room?"
"How many, which round(s), and who would you (I) target?" "How many and who would you target?" "Who would you trade for and what is the compensation for the player?" and finally, "Draft, Trade, Free Agency, what combo would you pursue and who are the targets?"

Tackling the first question first, Center, we know for certain that Nick Allegretti made it clear that he is in line to compete for the job and, in doing so, faced some backlash over his ability to bring no more than what Biadiasz had already been providing. The reasonable explanations for releasing Biadasz before getting his replacement are a dead certainty that his replacement is already in-house or will be soon, and/or to give him the full advantage of the "open" period. I suspect they are targeting Connor Lew out of Auburn, the top center in this class, who likely fell out of first or second round considerations due to injury concerns.

Most of the questions about the WR room I have addressed along the way and in different threads, but I don't mind reposting them if it helps. Because of the extremely weak FA class, the first and easiest option is via trade. My targets were/are Brian Thomas Jr, Chris Olave, and a long shot, amid reports, Marvin Harrison Jr., to go along with the still expected Brandon Aiyuk whenever that situation clears. My offers for either are a 5th round pick or, because I suspect they'll want something else, Daron Payne in a direct swap. The team needs wide receivers, and by my count, they need at least 3 new talents for Daniels to target. I've given you two, Aiyuk plus either Olave, Thomas Jr, or Harrison Jr, with the third coming from the draft. Carnell Tate at #7 is far too rich for my tastes at that pick, and he's likely not going to be available in later rounds, so for me, he's not in consideration. While not overly impressed with this class, there are three guys that Washington might target in rounds 3 and 4 who would help this woefully inadequate staff. They are;

1. Jordyn Tyson- Arizona State 6' 2" 203lbs and runs a 4.5 forty.

2. Makai Lemon, USC, 5' 11", 192 lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

3. Denzel Boston, Washington, 6' 4", 212 lb,s runs a 4.52 forty

4. Chris Bell, Louisville, 6' 2" 222lbs runs a 4.4 forty (my sleeper)

5. Jakobi Lane USC 6' 4" 200lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

Let me add two speedy guys who are on my radar because I wanted the Commanders to get Rashid Shaheed, and they didn't. ( Both are rather small for my taste, but you cannot discount this kind of speed.)

1. Brenen Thompson, Mississippi State, 5' 9" 170lbs and runs a 4.26 forty (a late round pick as BPA at position of need)

2. Zavion Thomas, LSU, 5' 10" 190lbs runs a 4.28 forty (another late round pick as BPA at position of need)

For now, the plan for AP and Washington has to be to exercise patience and play the waiting game. We are two days into the official free agency period, and there are going to be guys let loose post-June 1 cuts as the offseason moves closer to training camp. I see that he's panicked a bit and bought in what we can only assume are camp bodies (Dyami Brown and Van Jefferson) until more talented players become available.
Great post Sty , Bell has an ACL injury so he might fall . I like Malachi Fields
Lemon didn’t interview well so maybe he falls as well
I kinda have to draft Love if he is there at 7 or trade back getting a 2nd rounder
 

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There's a general consensus that with most of the heavy lifting done, especially on defense, the next moves must, out of necessity, be laser-focused on the offensive side of the ball. The two most prominent positions of need are WR and Center, one IMHO due to years of neglect, the other, for reasons unclear, made purposely. When asked to post this thread, my immediate thought was to jump on it quickly, but the more I considered it, the more I was convinced to give it at least one night and part of today before proceeding. It turns out that by waiting, answering the questions posed to me, specifically, "How would you (meaning me) address the WR room?"
"How many, which round(s), and who would you (I) target?" "How many and who would you target?" "Who would you trade for and what is the compensation for the player?" and finally, "Draft, Trade, Free Agency, what combo would you pursue and who are the targets?"

Tackling the first question first, Center, we know for certain that Nick Allegretti made it clear that he is in line to compete for the job and, in doing so, faced some backlash over his ability to bring no more than what Biadiasz had already been providing. The reasonable explanations for releasing Biadasz before getting his replacement are a dead certainty that his replacement is already in-house or will be soon, and/or to give him the full advantage of the "open" period. I suspect they are targeting Connor Lew out of Auburn, the top center in this class, who likely fell out of first or second round considerations due to injury concerns.

Most of the questions about the WR room I have addressed along the way and in different threads, but I don't mind reposting them if it helps. Because of the extremely weak FA class, the first and easiest option is via trade. My targets were/are Brian Thomas Jr, Chris Olave, and a long shot, amid reports, Marvin Harrison Jr., to go along with the still expected Brandon Aiyuk whenever that situation clears. My offers for either are a 5th round pick or, because I suspect they'll want something else, Daron Payne in a direct swap. The team needs wide receivers, and by my count, they need at least 3 new talents for Daniels to target. I've given you two, Aiyuk plus either Olave, Thomas Jr, or Harrison Jr, with the third coming from the draft. Carnell Tate at #7 is far too rich for my tastes at that pick, and he's likely not going to be available in later rounds, so for me, he's not in consideration. While not overly impressed with this class, there are three guys that Washington might target in rounds 3 and 4 who would help this woefully inadequate staff. They are;

1. Jordyn Tyson- Arizona State 6' 2" 203lbs and runs a 4.5 forty.

2. Makai Lemon, USC, 5' 11", 192 lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

3. Denzel Boston, Washington, 6' 4", 212 lb,s runs a 4.52 forty

4. Chris Bell, Louisville, 6' 2" 222lbs runs a 4.4 forty (my sleeper)

5. Jakobi Lane USC 6' 4" 200lbs, runs a 4.47 forty

Let me add two speedy guys who are on my radar because I wanted the Commanders to get Rashid Shaheed, and they didn't. ( Both are rather small for my taste, but you cannot discount this kind of speed.)

1. Brenen Thompson, Mississippi State, 5' 9" 170lbs and runs a 4.26 forty (a late round pick as BPA at position of need)

2. Zavion Thomas, LSU, 5' 10" 190lbs runs a 4.28 forty (another late round pick as BPA at position of need)

For now, the plan for AP and Washington has to be to exercise patience and play the waiting game. We are two days into the official free agency period, and there are going to be guys let loose post-June 1 cuts as the offseason moves closer to training camp. I see that he's panicked a bit and bought in what we can only assume are camp bodies (Dyami Brown and Van Jefferson) until more talented players become available.
Please add Chris Brazzell II 6'4", 198lbs, runs a 4.38 forty (Reminds me of D. Adams)
 

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Please add Chris Brazzell II 6'4", 198lbs, runs a 4.38 forty (Reminds me of D. Adams)
I have to tell you, that I thought about this guy for quite some time beforevI created that thread, and while his measurables are off the chart, there are reasons why he was excluded. They are;
1. His initial speed, that which is often used to separate isn't as dynamic as it is with the others. He rarely saw tight press coverage on short throws and he's definitely going to see that in the NFL.

2. Terry fights for the ball and is consistently among the best at contested catches, but not this guy! For him it's either a clean catch or nothing. That could change in time!

Now to be fair to him, I almost included him because he is the son of Chris Brazzell, (Jets and Ropers back in the day) and only 22 years old. His upside is tremendous and sons of formers have that pop training on their resumes.
 

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Great post Sty , Bell has an ACL injury so he might fall . I like Malachi Fields
Lemon didn’t interview well so maybe he falls as well
I kinda have to draft Love if he is there at 7 or trade back getting a 2nd rounder
Thanks!
I don't see this draft as a particularly great draft, especially for WRs! I see most coming off of the board in the mid second, and third rounds, and unfortunately a few falling to round 4 or later.
 
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