WAR per games played ratio

[PolarVortex]

Trout 97 games, 6.8 WAR = .0701
Mookie 78 games, 6.3 WAR = .0797

HR per game
Trout 25/97 = .257
Mookie 23/78 = .295

OPS
Trout 1.060
Mookie 1.139

OPS+
Trout 193
Mookie 200

Steal per game
Trout 15/97 = .155
Mookie 18/78 = .231

RBI per game
Trout 50/97 = .515
Mookie 51/78 = .654

Runs per game
Trout 71/97 = .732
Mookie 79/78 = 1.013

 

[DragonfromTO]

Too bad Mookie hasn't stayed healthy I guess

 

[Rock Strongo]

Trout 97 games, 6.8 WAR = .0701
Mookie 78 games, 6.3 WAR = .0797

HR per game
Trout 25/97 = .257
Mookie 23/78 = .295

OPS
Trout 1.060
Mookie 1.139

OPS+
Trout 193
Mookie 200

Steal per game
Trout 15/97 = .155
Mookie 18/78 = .231

RBI per game
Trout 50/97 = .515
Mookie 51/78 = .654

Runs per game
Trout 71/97 = .732
Mookie 79/78 = 1.013

trout hit .308 his first 4 full seasons

mookie is .301 as of this moment

 

[Indrid Cold]

Trout is slugging .659 on the road and .540 at home...Mooks is slugging .787 at home and .626 on the road.
It's pretty well known that Fenway is a nice place to hit (even for lefties, but especially for righties) and whatever they call the place in Anaheim is not...gotta take this into account for a head to head comparison.
They are both hitting extremely well all around this season, of course!

 

[Voltaire26]

Trout 97 games, 6.8 WAR = .0701
Mookie 78 games, 6.3 WAR = .0797

HR per game
Trout 25/97 = .257
Mookie 23/78 = .295

OPS
Trout 1.060
Mookie 1.139

OPS+
Trout 193
Mookie 200

Steal per game
Trout 15/97 = .155
Mookie 18/78 = .231

RBI per game
Trout 50/97 = .515
Mookie 51/78 = .654

Runs per game
Trout 71/97 = .732
Mookie 79/78 = 1.013

Good stat. I'd still go for Trout, but if I had to settle for Betts (if you can call that settling), I'd be fine with that.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Trout is slugging .659 on the road and .540 at home...Mooks is slugging .787 at home and .626 on the road.
It's pretty well known that Fenway is a nice place to hit (even for lefties, but especially for righties) and whatever they call the place in Anaheim is not...gotta take this into account for a head to head comparison.
They are both hitting extremely well all around this season, of course!

isnt that what OPS+ does?

 

[PolarVortex]

isnt that what OPS+ does?

Yep, OPS+ compensates for ballpark factors.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Yep, OPS+ compensates for ballpark factors.

Well, it does for overall park factor but doesn't handle parks that strongly favor either righties or lefties very well as far as individuals go.
For examples, righties who played in old Yankee Stadium get screwed by OPS+ because it's treating them as playing in a relatively neutral overall park instead of one that monstrously gouged their stats while making lefties look pretty good (look at Bill Dickey's home stats for his prime years compared to Joe DiMaggio's).

But, in this particular case, Anaheim is pretty tough for everybody while Fenway is pretty nice to everybody, so not a huge factor. But, if we're at midseason and one guy has an OPS+ of 193 while another guy has missed 19 more games and is at 200...well, I might say give me the guy who has played more.
Just thought it might turn some heads to see that Trout is outslugging Mooks on the road while Betts is near .800 at home...Ruth/Bonds territory. To be fair, though, Fenway is a road park for Trout and not for Betts, so some adjustment should be made for that if the Angels have actually played in Boston this season.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Yep, OPS+ compensates for ballpark factors.

It's not really meant to be "this is what player X would do in Y stadium", but more like "this level of production by player X in this run scoring environment is roughly equivalent to this level of production in this different run scoring environment".

Like a batter in the local little league might only have to bat .550/.700/1.050 to be able to match Trout's or Betts' OPS+, even though we all know that both players would probably hit much better than this if they were actually playing in that little league and in that park. It's the same idea.

That's actually probably a bad example now that I've written it out but I think you still get the idea

 

[DragonfromTO]

Well, it does for overall park factor but doesn't handle parks that strongly favor either righties or lefties very well as far as individuals go.
For examples, righties who played in old Yankee Stadium get screwed by OPS+ because it's treating them as playing in a relatively neutral overall park instead of one that monstrously gouged their stats while making lefties look pretty good (look at Bill Dickey's home stats for his prime years compared to Joe DiMaggio's).

But, in this particular case, Anaheim is pretty tough for everybody while Fenway is pretty nice to everybody, so not a huge factor. But, if we're at midseason and one guy has an OPS+ of 193 while another guy has missed 19 more games and is at 200...well, I might say give me the guy who has played more.
Just thought it might turn some heads to see that Trout is outslugging Mooks on the road while Betts is near .800 at home...Ruth/Bonds territory. To be fair, though, Fenway is a road park for Trout and not for Betts, so some adjustment should be made for that if the Angels have actually played in Boston this season.

You're getting way too fine here.

 

[Indrid Cold]

You're getting way too fine here.

That's what she said!!!

I'm all like, the boy can't help it...

 

[DragonfromTO]

That's what she said!!!

I'm all like, the boy can't help it...

All jokes aside you get what I'm saying, right? Making adjustments for a 4 game series is a bit of a fool's errand.

 

[Indrid Cold]

All jokes aside you get what I'm saying, right? Making adjustments for a 4 game series is a bit of a fool's errand.

Well, that's about 5% of a team's road schedule...I'd say go ahead and make the adjustment if we're going to bother with all this stuff. Make the computers do the work! Not as important as with divisional rivals, of course.

 

[PolarVortex]

You're getting way too fine here.

Yep. At some point you just have to accept the fact that Betts' OPS+ is higher than Trout's and quit looking for excuses for Trout as to why Mookie's is higher.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Yep. At some point you just have to accept the fact that Betts' OPS+ is higher than Trout's and quit looking for excuses for Trout as to why Mookie's is higher.

I guess nobody noticed that the adjustment I mentioned would have been in Betts' favor?
We're not talking about surface integrals here...

 

[PolarVortex]

I guess nobody noticed that the adjustment I mentioned would have been in Betts' favor?
We're not talking about surface integrals here...

People only notice what they want to notice on here.

 

[flyerhawk]

If the season ended today, I would have to think that Betts would be the MVP. Despite missing 20 games, Betts still has more stolen bases, more rbi, and more doubles than Trout. Trout does have 2 more HRs.

Factor in that the Red Sox are playing at an all-time great level and the Angels are an also ran, it would seem that the choice is pretty clear this year.