Tyreek Hill

[Manster7588]

About as legit as the throwing velocity stats that have Cam Newton=Colt McCoy

Um OK. Why?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Um OK. Why?

Using "top speed" is not really that great a metric... it's like using yards/touch for RB's. It's cool, just doesn't tell people what people take away from it.


I care much more about how fast you get to 1-100, decel, change of direction, etc. The amount of times you're reaching top speed is gonna be pretty minimal on a football field unless you're playing putzes. Maybe not a single time over the course of the year.

3 cone, 40 times, etc still do a better job of that than top speed. That's not very helpful. Hell, it's basically the 40 time obsession, but in slightly less silly circumstances.

In that regard, the 22 some odd mph silliness isn't very helpful for determining fastest player. Cool the article talks about weight, but it doesn't make them a faster player. We're talking some serious delusion when we have people talking up guys like Fournette and Henry (a legit SLOW RB) being in the same weightclass as Hill in terms of speed...

 

[Manster7588]

Using "top speed" is not really that great a metric... it's like using yards/touch for RB's. It's cool, just doesn't tell people what people take away from it.


I care much more about how fast you get to 1-100, decel, change of direction, etc. The amount of times you're reaching top speed is gonna be pretty minimal on a football field unless you're playing putzes.

3 cone, 40 times, etc still do a better job of that than top speed. That's not very helpful. Hell, it's basically the 40 time obsession, but in slightly less silly circumstances.

In that regard, the 22 some odd mph silliness isn't very helpful for determining fastest player. Cool the article talks about weight, but it doesn't make them a faster player. We're talking some serious delusion when we have people talking up guys like Fournette and Henry (a legit SLOW RB) being in the same weightclass as Hill in terms of speed...

Let me try to find something more loving of Hill. If I do I'll post it to keep your salty ass happy.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Let me try to find something more loving of Hill. If I do I'll post it to keep your salty ass happy.

I think you need a mirror with that one, boss.

 

[Manster7588]

I think you need a mirror with that one, boss.

Wrong, I just posted a link about football players speed. I really don't care who is or isn't the fastest.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Wrong, I just posted a link about football players speed. I really don't care who is or isn't the fastest.

Your mistake is thinking I care either... Hill is just proxy for the obvious (and he is the subject in the OP). We can talk about John Ross, Devin Hester, Randy Moss, etc if you wish.

If I am being too caustic, I am arguing that the combine data> MPH top speed arguments. It's yard/touch level nonsense to me.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Herschel Walkers' speed always amazed me. Had a buddy who trained and played with him in the USFL, and they'd work out in cocoa beach. Said he was the fastest guy on his college team. Raced Herschel and it wasn't even close.

I remember the story about him in college, running the 60 yard dash.

Well here's the video... What a lineup.

Herschel Walker 230 lb beast RB
Carl Lewis - Nuff said
Stanley Floyd- 100m favorite for olympics the US boycotted/record holder. Beat by Herschel
Emmit King - Bronze medalist at 1983 world championships for 100m.
Mel Lattany - 5th man to break 10 sec barrier in 100m the following year. Herschel track teammate and beat by Herschel.




Carl Lewis actually beat Hershel's time in the following heat. But Herschel joked he had the world record for a few minutes.

And a 10.22 in the 100 meters. At RB size (40 lbs heavier than Tyreek, and faster than Deion's 100m best.

I remember with the Eagles late in his career, he had a 90 yard rush, reception and return. No other player had ever done that in a career and he did all 3 in the same year.

That one amazes me, not just a return specialist. Not a WR or corner. But a power back 10-15 lbs heavier than Marshawn Lynch.

When it comes to fastest players to ever play, I guess Jim Hines is at the top of my list still though he barely played. I believe he's still the only sub 10 second 100m athlete in the NFL. Held the 100m record for 15 years. Bo or Chris Johnson might have had better acceleration at the start to get better 40 times.

I always though that if Herschel was a car he would be a Buick GNX. Fast as fuck till that first corner... A north south kind of guy.

 

[Manster7588]

Your mistake is thinking I care either... Hill is just proxy for the obvious (and he is the subject in the OP). We can talk about John Ross, Devin Hester, Randy Moss, etc if you wish.

If I am being to caustic, I am arguing that the combine data> MPH top speed arguments. It's yard/touch level nonsense to me.

Apparently you do, since you poo-pooed the story, and gave additional requirements on how to judge speed.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Apparently you do, since you poo-pooed the story, and gave additional requirements on how to judge speed.

Pooh-poohing would imply I gave no reasons whatsoever besides "that can't be true."

Nice try.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

I always though that if Herschel was a car he would be a Buick GNX. Fast as fuck till that first corner... A north south kind of guy.

Yeah, he had to get those massive shoulder pads square first. But damn I liked him, even with Dallas. One of my favorite athletes. I know there's no way a guy who's 55 could play a position like RB in today's NFL, but if one could, he'd be the guy.

Still can run a sub-4.4 he says and I saw him back at Georgia on the SEC channel with their players in a practice and he was putting them to shame in their workouts.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Yeah, he had to get those massive shoulder pads square first. But damn I liked him, even with Dallas. One of my favorite athletes. I know there's no way a guy who's 55 could play a position like RB in today's NFL, but if one could, he'd be the guy.

Still can run a sub-4.4 he says and I saw him back at Georgia on the SEC channel with their players in a practice and he was putting them to shame in their workouts.

Wasn't his workout routine push ups only?? Something like that.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Wasn't his workout routine push ups only?? Something like that.

All body weight. And he still does it. 1 meal a day, 1500 pushups, 3500 situps. A couple years ago when he was fighting MMA, he was doing 3500 of each a day, no off days. Plus loads of running and calisthenics. He jokes that he was doing crossfit before it had a name.

 

[CaptainStubing]

Could not find the thread on his child abuse case but reports are coming out of Kansas City that the police are saying the broken arm was an accident and no charges will be filed against anyone

 

[Across The Field]

Could not find the thread on his child abuse case but reports are coming out of Kansas City that the police are saying the broken arm was an accident and no charges will be filed against anyone

I saw this weekend where they said there is no longer an open case or investigation. Looks like he is going to get off.

 

[CaptainStubing]

Looks like he is going to get off.

TWSS

 

[Across The Field]

TWSS

huh

 

[CaptainStubing]

huh

That's what she said

 

[Rock Strongo]

Could not find the thread on his child abuse case but reports are coming out of Kansas City that the police are saying the broken arm was an accident and no charges will be filed against anyone

Arrowheadlines: Tyreek Hill suspension still "possible without proof of violence"

 

[CaptainStubing]

Arrowheadlines: Tyreek Hill suspension still "possible without proof of violence"

I'm not sure anyone would mind that guy getting kicked out of the league, even some chiefs fans, just for generally being a POS human being.

Of course, then, where does it end, because there are a lot of POS's in the league

 

[jarntt]

Could not find the thread on his child abuse case but reports are coming out of Kansas City that the police are saying the broken arm was an accident and no charges will be filed against anyone

was it these cops investigating?