This team can't pitch for shit

[PolarVortex]

I think they are going to set a team record for most runs given up in a season. And considering they played the first 21 seasons in the Kingdome, that's pretty pathetic.

They've now lost 24 of their last 34. If they continue to lose at the pace of the last 34 games, they will finish at 56-106.

Happy Monday!

 

[AceKeptic]

There's losing, and then there's giving up.

What we witnessed on Saturday against the Twins was nothing shy of inexcusable, and yet, this is what upper management was hoping for somehow. Being a time for rebuild (hadn't we been in that stage since 2004?), we're apparently stuck with the dead weight.

What pisses us off so badly is that great start we had. The 13-2 record to start things just seems like science fiction right now, because next thing we knew, we were smacked back to reality with pitchers who are just content with throwing games and sucking the life out of the rest of the team.

Rebuild if you must, but at least let them TRY to make it more of a game! The manner in which they're surrendering games is unforgivable and disrespectful to the fans and the game in general, and it's time they realize that!

 

[SeattleCoug]

Not trading Leake in the winter looks like it will be costly. He now has a FIP well above 5

 

[Cloud]

But this shouldn't be a surprise though or are some actually surprise at how bad this pitching staff is? We knew and saw this coming into the season. I mean, at the start, Marco Gonzales was easily their best pitcher and he's a #4 or #5 starter on most teams at best.

What's more surprising to me is the amount of runs this team has given up (302 runs allowed), as they're on pace to give up nearly 1000 runs this season. The Orioles (281 Runs allowed), who are bad themselves doesn't get beaten into a pulp like this team has been.

 

[Cloud]

Also, this team is going to test the old adage of "Pitching and Defense" win games. Both these aspects of their game are absolutely atrocious and no amount of good offense will get them more W's.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I think they are going to set a team record for most runs given up in a season. And considering they played the first 21 seasons in the Kingdome, that's pretty pathetic.

They've now lost 24 of their last 34. If they continue to lose at the pace of the last 34 games, they will finish at 56-106.

Happy Monday!

As of right now the Mariners are on pace to allow 978 runs, which would be the most by a MLB team since Colorado allowed 1,028 in 1999. The most runs allowed by the Mariners in franchise history was 905 back in 1999.

On pace for 175 errors, which would be the most by an MLB team since 1986 when the Dodgers committed 181 errors. I don't know what the Mariners record for errors in a season is, but I wouldn't be surprised if that would set the franchise record as well.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Not trading Leake in the winter looks like it will be costly. He now has a FIP well above 5

I heard zero rumors about him in the offseason so I have to suspect that nobody was interested.

Wow I just realized he has allowed the most hits in MLB and is tied for the most HRs allowed. Yikes.

 

[Cloud]

As of right now the Mariners are on pace to allow 978 runs, which would be the most by a MLB team since Colorado allowed 1,028 in 1999. The most runs allowed by the Mariners in franchise history was 905 back in 1999.

On pace for 175 errors, which would be the most by an MLB team since 1986 when the Dodgers committed 181 errors. I don't know what the Mariners record for errors in a season is, but I wouldn't be surprised if that would set the franchise record as well.

Thanks for this. I was looking around this morning on the most runs allowed by a team. How many more teams since the 1999 Rockies gave up 1000 runs or near it?

 

[SeattleCoug]

I heard zero rumors about him in the offseason so I have to suspect that nobody was interested.

Wow I just realized he has allowed the most hits in MLB and is tied for the most HRs allowed. Yikes.

I heard that one weird rumor involving him, Segura and Wil Meyers with the Padres but other then that I dont think anything concrete. But whatever value he had then is alot less now

 

[seahawksfan234]

Thanks for this. I was looking around this morning on the most runs allowed by a team. How many more teams since the 1999 Rockies gave up 1000 runs or near it?

No team has allowed more than 1000 runs since the Rockies did in 1999.

In 1996 the Tigers allowed 1,103.

I'm at work right now so I didn't want to go too far back because I actually need to get some stuff done, but dating back to 1981 only the 1999 Rockies and 1996 Tigers have allowed 1,000 or more runs.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I heard that one weird rumor involving him, Segura and Wil Meyers with the Padres but other then that I dont think anything concrete. But whatever value he had then is alot less now

Oh yeah I forgot about that one. Good memory.

In that hypothetical he would've just been there to offset money I believe.

I just recall being somewhat surprised there wasn't much interest in him. From 2016-2018 he had an ERA of 4.32 and pitched 30 games every year with an average of 180 IP. He's 31 and his contract is pretty reasonable for a middle of the rotation guy, so I thought someone would take a flier on him and take on part of his contract and send a mid-level prospect in return.

 

[AceKeptic]

The magic number for runs allowed is 1,212. That's the amount given up by the 1894 Boston Beaneaters (now the Atlanta Braves).

We're a quarter of the way there with four months plus to go.

On a side note, most team errors in a season goes to a Washington team in 1886 that made 867 Es. I'd say the Tigers' 425 Es in 1901 is a more realistic record to beat, being the modern era, but knowing these guys, anything is possible.

One way or another, we'll be making history.

 

[Cloud]

No team has allowed more than 1000 runs since the Rockies did in 1999.

In 1996 the Tigers allowed 1,103.

I'm at work right now so I didn't want to go too far back because I actually need to get some stuff done, but dating back to 1981 only the 1999 Rockies and 1996 Tigers have allowed 1,000 or more runs.

Appears to be a rare occurrence and for a team to do that, they have to be super bad. I have a feeling this team will be one of those 1k runs allowed teams.

 

[PolarVortex]

Appears to be a rare occurrence and for a team to do that, they have to be super bad. I have a feeling this team will be one of those 1k runs allowed teams.

And to add insult to injury, Safeco (or whaddevahdafuck its name is now) is supposed to be a pitcher's park.

 

[Cloud]

And to add insult to injury, Safeco (or whaddevahdafuck its name is now) is supposed to be a pitcher's park.

Honestly, it doesn't really matter the type of ballpark with the amount of errors they are committing as well. The pitching is bad enough already but this team is also on pace for nearly 200 errors, which is astounding.

There was an article last month where it says the M's committed 37 errors in 31 games and out of those 37 errors - 31 unearned runs. If the trend holds, they're on pace to allow almost 200 unearned runs.

Huge contributing factor to whether or not they will allow 1,000 runs.

 

[PolarVortex]

Honestly, it doesn't really matter the type of ballpark with the amount of errors they are committing as well. The pitching is bad enough already but this team is also on pace for nearly 200 errors, which is astounding.

There was an article last month where it says the M's committed 37 errors in 31 games and out of those 37 errors - 31 unearned runs. If the trend holds, they're on pace to allow almost 200 unearned runs.

Huge contributing factor to whether or not they will allow 1,000 runs.

We need to modify our research. Most 'earned runs' given up. We can't hang all the blame on the pitching. Between Beckham and Santana, they've probably allowed an additional 30-35 runs.

 

[SeattleCoug]

We need to modify our research. Most 'earned runs' given up. We can't hang all the blame on the pitching. Between Beckham and Santana, they've probably allowed an additional 30-35 runs.

Pretty much the whole defense outside of Haniger who I'd say is passable (not good) and Gordon (who is hurt) are just awful at their positions. Outside of Beckham and Santana, Mallex is just LOL in CF right now. I also dont think I've seen Navarez throw out anyone trying to steal and his framing sucks. He can hit sure but this team already has enough DH's so that doesnt do anyone any good.

 

[Duders]

The one who surprises the hell out of me is good ole Daniel Vogelbach!! Who would have ever thunk? Last season when he was in the bigs and came to the plate, I'd go "oh shit". This season it's a gas to watch that dude, especially when he goes back to the dugout and struts his stuff.

 

[Cloud]

The one who surprises the hell out of me is good ole Daniel Vogelbach!! Who would have ever thunk? Last season when he was in the bigs and came to the plate, I'd go "oh shit". This season it's a gas to watch that dude, especially when he goes back to the dugout and struts his stuff.

Probably end up with 30HR's, 90 RBI's.

 

[seahawksfan234]

We need to modify our research. Most 'earned runs' given up. We can't hang all the blame on the pitching. Between Beckham and Santana, they've probably allowed an additional 30-35 runs.

I don't have time to go through the historical data right now, but as of yesterday's game Mariners have allowed 308 runs, 262 of which were earned. That would put the Mariners on pace for 975 runs allowed, 832 of which would be earned. I don't know what the record for unearned runs allowed is, but 143 unearned runs would probably be a record.