The one "silver lining" for the B1G and the Pac12...

[ellupo]

Actually, yes. The flu, the common cold, and mono are all viruses that can cause the heart condition that the B1G/PAC are apparently relying on. All three of those are known to run rampant through college campuses. Now, you are going to say those aren't pandemics, but COVID being a pandemic isn't really an issue with regard to your permanent injury issues. And, as you can see in the other post I made, for as long as we have been playing football, there are risks up to and including death which happens every year.

Let me ask you this ... why, if those are the reason the B1G cancelled football season, are the teams still practicing? Do you only have risks if you play games? Can the heart problem only originate if you play games? If not, then they should immediately shut down all practices and athletics practices.

Lets see, first those other 3 do not have the same effect on the infected. As we have seen.

The risks inherent to football are always there yes, this is an outside factor that has nothing to do with football. They are trying to control these factors just as they do others.

As far as practicing they are wrong. If you cant play, you should not practice. As I have said they should still play the season. I think the kids are safer on campus than not.
The heart problems from the virus have nothing to do with playing games it has to do with catching the virus.

 

[ellupo]

Sure it can:

Myocarditis - Symptoms and causes

https://www.mdlinx.com/article/5-su...-and-flu-complications/2RIynpqlR8Jo4EZElIIRmh

How Flu Damages Lung Tissue

Defective lung function following influenza virus is due to prolonged, reversible hyaluronan synthesis - ScienceDirect

Q&A: Influenza and COVID-19 - similarities and differences

A quick clip "Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care. "

Now this does not address the heart issues but it shows a difference in the two. A substantial difference.

 

[LawDawg]

Q&A: Influenza and COVID-19 - similarities and differences

A quick clip "Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care. "

Now this does not address the heart issues but it shows a difference in the two. A substantial difference.

Problem is we are talking about the heart issue. I am well aware that COVID is worse than the flu. My response was clearly addressing your post about the long term effects, not comparing the flu and C19's mortality rate. If we just want to look at mortality rate, it's so low for kids in this age range to not be of consequence. Hence you and others bringing up the heart issue.

 

[LawDawg]

Lets see, first those other 3 do not have the same effect on the infected. As we have seen.

The risks inherent to football are always there yes, this is an outside factor that has nothing to do with football. They are trying to control these factors just as they do others.

As far as practicing they are wrong. If you cant play, you should not practice. As I have said they should still play the season. I think the kids are safer on campus than not.
The heart problems from the virus have nothing to do with playing games it has to do with catching the virus.

You have no idea if what you just said is true. Medical doctors, and I assume you aren't one, don't even know the exact nature of the risk of heart damage. As all the articles and doctors have stated, there is anecdotal evidence that this risk exists, but that no in depth studies have been conducted. We won't know for years when the medical and scientific community can look back and do the studies need to come to a conclusion with the certainty of your post. It's not there today.

As for the 3 viruses I mentioned, that can affect the heart, they are part of college football. Teams are constantly being vigilant to ensure that the flu and mono are not spread throughout the team. While C19 is a novel virus, the idea of protecting athletic teams from common viruses (cold, flu, mono) is not new at all.

 

[rfjeff9]

Actually keeping infections rates low will help keep hospitals at capacity or lower. If too many people get it at once, the hospitals won't be able to treat people who may have survived it otherwise. The whole purpose of having people stay at home is too keep the death counts lower.

Yes, hospital overloading was the objective, not infections, which was always inevitable. But in the overall picture, allowing for the percentage of players that would need to be hospitalized from a roster of 125 or whatever would be insignificant in the loading on a hospital.

 

[OregonDucks]

You didnt answer if there is any lasting heart issues. All you are saying is you have heard of none. You just as doctors who are doing the research are not sure and there is a possibility.

What about the lasting brain issues from playing football?

 

[trojanfan12]

You didnt answer if there is any lasting heart issues.

Not having heard of any issues of any kind includes heart issues.

Professional athletes are probably the most "health monitored" people on earth. NBA players have their health monitored constantly. The guys who have tested positive or were in contact with any infected player have had their health monitored even more closely than usual.

It's pretty safe to say that with all of the information that's been coming out during all of this, if an NBA player had any kind of lingering or lasting effects, we'd know about it by now.

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

The B1G screwed up and jumped the shark. You can’t tell me they have any new data this week that they didn’t have last week when they released the schedule. This is a chicken shit new commissioner who was too worried about his reputation and wanted to play it safe. This isn’t a disease killing 18-22 year olds.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

The B1G screwed up and jumped the shark. You can’t tell me they have any new data this week that they didn’t have last week when they released the schedule. This is a chicken shit new commissioner who was too worried about his reputation and wanted to play it safe. This isn’t a disease killing 18-22 year olds.

The decision wasn't up to the commissioner, it was up to the 14 Presidents...it always was.

 

[SteelersPride]

The decision wasn't up to the commissioner, it was up to the 14 Presidents...it always was.

 

[Red_Alert]

Even more relevant, why are any B1G or PAC teams practicing? As soon as they cancelled the season, they should have immediately stopped practice. If we are really concerned that the players can get COVID, and then a heart condition, they practice should immediately stop. Certainly there isn't a great risk to the players in a game?

It's more than just 'practice'.

They're in the weight rooms.
They're at the dining tables.
They're in team meetings.

Nebraska is building a new facility because they can't fit all the players into their current team meeting room. That decision was made BEFORE Covid was even a thought.

The number of players is beyond the 85 scholly players. Nebraska has dozens of walk-on's.

They've always had over 120 players on the team and team meeting space has never been an issue until a couple years ago.
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[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

The decision wasn't up to the commissioner, it was up to the 14 Presidents...it always was.

No it wasn’t but keep telling yourself that.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

No it wasn’t but keep telling yourself that.

The commissioner answers to the Presidents. He can't do jack shit without their approval...but keep telling yourself otherwise.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yes but is there a risk of a viral disease that is a pandemic around the world that can permanently effect the body including the heart every time a football player takes the field in practice or a game?

Or the weight room
Or the dining table
Or team meetings
Or the classrooms
Or the library
Or the bar
Or the dorms
Or swapping spit with Susie Rottencrotch

yada yada yada

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

The commissioner answers to the Presidents. He can't do jack shit without their approval...but keep telling yourself otherwise.

No, it was made in conjunction with Warren and Warren was well publicized as wanting a spring season.

 

[NolePride]

I don't see any "silver lining" for the B10 or P12. Even if the season were to be cut short because of
some outbreak. They'll get way behind the curve to the 3 leagues that play.

So far...(Just P5 teams)

Everybody got in their weight work and conditioning drills.
Everybody lost Spring practice.
Everybody got spring practice back with the early start grantd by the NCAA.
The B10/P12 lose fall practice.
They lose the normal regular season.
Next year they begin trying to play in the spring...They lose their conditioning drills
and their weight room work.

While they're playing the season their early entrees don't get any early work. They don't get any
spring practice.

At the B12/ACC/SEC it's all business as normal. They will be getting their weight work...conditioning...
Spring practice...The B10/P12 are playing a season, probably without any of their NFL caliber
players who will forego a spring season.

If the season concludes in June...they have to return in two months for 2021.

By just two of them playing in the spring they will lose 2 off-season of development work.

There is no silver lining anywhere, if the B12/ACC/SEC play even halkf a season

 

[Red_Alert]

I don't see any "silver lining" for the B10 or P12. Even if the season were to be cut short because of
some outbreak. They'll get way behind the curve to the 3 leagues that play.

So far...(Just P5 teams)

Everybody got in their weight work and conditioning drills.
Everybody lost Spring practice.
Everybody got spring practice back with the early start grantd by the NCAA.
The B10/P12 lose fall practice.
They lose the normal regular season.
Next year they begin trying to play in the spring...They lose their conditioning drills
and their weight room work.

While they're playing the season their early entrees don't get any early work. They don't get any
spring practice.

At the B12/ACC/SEC it's all business as normal. They will be getting their weight work...conditioning...
Spring practice...The B10/P12 are playing a season, probably without any of their NFL caliber
players who will forego a spring season.

If the season concludes in June...they have to return in two months for 2021.

By just two of them playing in the spring they will lose 2 off-season of development work.

There is no silver lining anywhere, if the B12/ACC/SEC play even halkf a season

How hard will the rest of CFB laugh if Big 10 teams are still allowed to practice through the fall?

There has been nothing said about continued practice. Just that they can't play games.

"You can practice, use the weight room, eat at the dining tables, and attend team meetings, but you can't play"

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[Rolltide94]

One kid gets it and then boom, everybody gets it. It spreads like wildfire. There’s simply no way this season’s happening. The other conferences will eventually follow suit. It sucks to be sure, but it’s also the reality.

If the NBA can play, College Football can play. If it was one kids kets it and boom, everybody gets it, we would all have it.

 

[wazzu31]

The silver lining is these kids will actually have to do school work and realize half of them couldn’t attend these universities if they had no athletic ability.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

While they're playing the season their early entrees don't get any early work. They don't get any
spring practice.

There is no silver lining anywhere, if the B12/ACC/SEC play even halkf a season

The early entries get to see the field. How is that "no early work".