The Joe Ingles Thread

[nuraman00]

Joe Ingles or Joseph English. Sigh.

When Rudy makes a shot, do you call him Rudy French (and make a sound in a French accent like sakataters does)?

 

[nuraman00]

Jingles. I like him. Gotta run. But that's my best summary right now. I'm late, I'm late, I'm late. (That's what she said. Err... not good. )

That could be good if the couple were trying to conceive.

In which case, I'm reading it as "I'm late! I'm late! I'm late! (Woo-hoo expression.)"

 

[nuraman00]

When Rudy makes a shot, do you call him Rudy French (and make a sound in a French accent like sakataters does)?

I'm thinking MHSL82 doesn't jingle, jiggle, or gyrate when Joseph English takes a shot.

He also gestures.

 

[nuraman00]

@MHSL82, do you jingle a bell after every made 3-pointer, assist, or steal Jingles does?

The PA should do that at games.

 

[nuraman00]

I hope Joe Ingles wins your MVP someday.

 

[nuraman00]

At the end of the year I was planning on an adjustment. Not sure how, but I was going to run it by you. It won't matter because Mitchell and Gobert are going to be top two spots, in my opinion. If players stay healthy. Trying to keep that out of my game-by game bias. I don't want to give them the tiebreaker or bias.

Thanks, I look forward to reading your adjustment at the end of the year.

What's it going to take for Jingles to win your MVP?

I still don't have an answer as to whether you Jingle or jiggle something everytime he makes an assist.

Maybe only for spectacular assists?

 

[MHSL82]

Thanks, I look forward to reading your adjustment at the end of the year.

What's it going to take for Jingles to win your MVP?

I still don't have an answer as to whether you Jingle or jiggle something everytime he makes an assist.

Maybe only for spectacular assists?

I haven't seen a game from start to finish this year yet. I wouldn't know about jingling without watching one, but I am 99.99999999% sure I wouldn't jingle. The percentage keeping it from being 100% is dependent upon whether my kids ask me. Nicely.

 

[nuraman00]

I haven't seen a game from start to finish this year yet. I wouldn't know about jingling without watching one, but I am 99.99999999% sure I wouldn't jingle. The percentage keeping it from being 100% is dependent upon whether my kids ask me. Nicely.

Ok, so you don't jingle, jiggle, or wiggle, after a spectacular Jingles assist.

What do / would you do, then?

 

[nuraman00]

Jingles. I like him. Gotta run. But that's my best summary right now. I'm late, I'm late, I'm late. (That's what she said. Err... not good. )

Even fantasy updates call him your nickname, Jingles.

+++++++++++

Tue, Dec 5

Joe Ingles hit 6-of-13 shots and four 3-pointers for 16 points, two rebounds, four assists, a steal and a block in 34 minutes of Tuesday's loss to the Thunder.

Advice: After a prolonged slump, Jingles has quietly hit double figures in scoring in four straight games and is averaging 11.4 points, 2.6 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 0.8 steals and 2.8 3-pointers on 46 percent shooting over his last five games. He's starting to get hot again and is worth a pickup if he was dropped in your league and you've got someone on your roster you wouldn't mind cutting.

(Rotoworld.com)

 

[nuraman00]

How do you calculate overall MVP rankings?

I'm disappointed in Ingles. His steals have gone down a lot during the season.

Maybe @MHSL82 can finally Jingle a Jingle to get him rejuvenated.

 

[nuraman00]

I admit that much of this will be a box score watching thing this year, but this is how I like to get involved. Every game that I can I'm going to post my order of ranking the players.

Some games there will be three, some games there will be seven and some games will be in between. Here are my parameters for scoring throughout the year:

MVP1: 10 points
MVP2: 9 points
HM3: 7 points
HM4: 6 points
HM5: 4 points
HM6: 3 points
HM7: 1 points
HM8: Shits and Giggles.

2017 MVP (16-21)

Donovan Mitchell: 262 (16-8-2-3)
Ricky Rubio: 219 (6-5-7-4)
Derrick Favors: 188 (5-2-5-3)
Joe Ingles: 186 (0-6-6-3)
Rodney Hood: 159 (3-5-5-3)
Rudy Gobert: 119 (5-2-5-2)
Thabo Sefolosha: 95 (1-2-1-13)
Alec Burks: 94 (1-4-2-15)
Jonas Jerebko: 56 (0-1-2-16)
Epke Udoh: 26 (0-1-1-26)
Joe Johnson: 25 (0-0-0-8)
Raul Neto: 23 (0-2-0-12)
Royce O'Neale: 15 (0-0-1-22)
Tony Bradley: 4 (0-0-0-7)

First Number: 1st Place Votes
Second Number: 2nd Place Votes
Third Number: 3rd Place Votes
Fourth Number: Games Played but not in Top 7. Winner: Most Reliable.

Ingles has 6 2nd place votes? Which games are those?

For the fourth number, if it's reflective of games not in the top 7, is having a smaller number here better? Would 0 for the fourth number be the ideal target, since that would mean all games were in the top 7?

 

[nuraman00]

Thanks.

Which games does Ingles have his 6 2nd place votes?

 

[MHSL82]

Nuggets vs. Jazz - Box Score - October 18, 2017 - ESPN

MVP1: Ricky Rubio - 10 assists accounted for 20 points, plus 9 points, plus 5 rebounds.
MVP2: Joe Ingles - 11 points, 6 assists (12 points), and 5 rebounds.
HM3: Rudy Gobert - 18 points, 1 assist (2 points), and 10 rebounds. Blocks underwhelming though altered shots and offenses staying away from him is beneficial. 6 turnovers disappointing.
HM4: Derrick Favors - 14 points, 4 assists, and four rebounds
HM5: Donovan Mitchell: Didn't shoot well, but still managed double figures, dished the ball out four times, played defense (block and steal), had a great +/- (+22), and as a rookie, given the tiebreaker.
HM6: Joe Johnson - 13 points vs Burks 16, but more assists and rebounds.
HM7: Alec Burks: Simply playing and not getting injured should give him a mention. Just kidding. 16 points off the bench is a good contribution.

Thunder vs. Jazz - Box Score - October 21, 2017 - ESPN

Difficult.

1. Rudy Gobert - Tempted to give Rubio the third in a row, but Ricky's 6 turnovers, poor shooting, and Rudy's 3 offensive rebounds are three strikes. Plus, I assume defensively Gobert is contributing more than his numbers.
2. Joe Ingles - Yeah, I know. It doesn't make sense to deliberate between Ricky and Rudy, but then give the second spot to someone else than the runner up. Oh well. Shot well, defended well.
3. Ricky Rubio - Still, 16 points and >5 assists and rebounds each is good.
4. Derrick Favors - Box Score check at half suggested Favors contributed most to their halftime lead. Counts for something.
5. Donovan Mitchell - 6 assists! But mostly, Westbrook did poorly, was he Mitchell's guy?
6. Joe Johnson - 12 points off the bench and got rebounds and defenses
7. Alec Burks - Did more and shot better than Sefolosha.

Raptors vs. Jazz - Box Score - November 3, 2017 - ESPN

1. MVP1: Mitchell, 25 Points, 2 Assists, 2 Blocks, 3 Rebounds, ok shooting no turnovers.
2. MVP2: Ingles, 11 Points, 6 Assists, 5 Rebounds, 2 steals, good shooting.
3. HM3: Gobert, 15 Points, 2 Blocks, 7 Rebounds, good shooting, only one turnover,
4. HM4: Hood, 17 Points, 1 Assist, 3 Rebounds, but 3 Turnovers. Need more well-roundedness and better shooting.
5. HM5: Rubio, 13 Points, 3 Assists, 1 Steal - More assists, but 4 TOs and worse shooting < Hood.
6. HM6: Favors, 8 Points, 7 Rebounds, 2 Steals, and 1 Block.
7. HM7: Udoh, 4 Points, 1 Assist/Steal/Rebound each.

Bucks vs. Jazz - Box Score - November 25, 2017 - ESPN

1. MVP1: Mitchell, 24 Points, 6-10 Downtown, 4 Assists, 4 Rebounds, 2 Steals, Good shooting.
2. MVP2: Ingles, 15 Points, 9 Assists, 1 Steal/Rebound each, Good shooting.
3. HM3: Hood, 21 Points, 2 Assists, 2 Steals, 2 Rebounds, Good shooting, 3 TOs.
4. HM4: Favors, 16 Points, 6 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 6-8 Shooting, 2 Blocks, 1 Steal.
5. HM5: Rubio, 11 Points, 7 Assists, Good shooting.
6. HM6: Sefolosha, 11 Points, 4 Rebounds, Good shooting.
7. HM7: Udoh, 7 Points, 3 Assists, 1 Rebound, Good Shooting.

Jazz vs. Rockets - Box Score - December 18, 2017 - ESPN

1. MVP1: Hood, 26 Points, 4 Assists, 3 Rebounds, 2 Steals, 10-18 Shooting, 0 TOs.
2. MVP2: Ingles, 17 Points, 4 Assists, 3 Rebounds, Good shooting, 1 TO.
3. HM3: Rubio, 14 Points, 4 Assists, 2 Steals, 3 Rebounds, Good shooting, 1 TO.
4. HM4: Johnson, 12 Points, 2 Assists, 3 Rebounds, OK shooting, 0 TOs.
5. HM5: Jerebko, 6 Points, 3 Steals, 5 Rebounds, 1 Assist, Good shooting, 0 TOs.
6. HM6: Mitchell, 6 Points, 4 Steals, 2 Rebounds, 1 Assist, OK shooting, 1 TO. Injured.
7. HM7: Burks, 8 Points, 4 Rebounds, OK shooting, 1 TO.

Listed 7 players, despite 21-point loss, because they were winning through 3 quarters and Mitchell was injured in-game, playing without Gobert or Favors. Hard to adjust midway and while they deserved to lose, 7 players played hard in a difficult situation against a great team.

Thunder vs. Jazz - Box Score - December 23, 2017 - ESPN

1. MVP1: Mitchell, 29 Points, 5 Rebounds, 1 Assist, 1 Block, 1 Steal, 12-16 Shooting, 3 TOs.
2. MVP2: Ingles, 7 Points, 5 Assists, 8 Rebounds, Poor shooting, 2 TOs.
3. HM3: Favors, 11 Points, 8 Rebounds, 1 Assist, 1 Block, Good shooting, 1 TO.
4. HM4: Rubio, 6 Points, 5 Assists, 3 Rebounds, Poor shooting, 1 TO.
5. HM5: Johnson, 8 Points, 2 Assists, 2 Rebounds, Good shooting, 2 TOs.
6. HM6: Sefolosha, 11 Points, 2 Rebounds, OK shooting, 2 TOs.
7. HM7: Hood, 9 Points, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound, Poor shooting, 1 TO.

Here are the games I gave him Second Place. I admit that subconsciously/consciously I first look at:

1. Points
2. Assists
3. Well-Rounded Production
4. Shooting Percentage.

If I saw the game or read something, things can change. For example, Sefolosha had a big stop on James this last game.

 

[MHSL82]

@nuraman00 , I think you might like my MVP for the Nuggets game, even though you may disagree. I'll post it later tonight or tomorrow.

Jazz vs. Nuggets - Box Score - January 5, 2018 - ESPN

Never mind, I didn't see the turnovers. I expected him to eventually get one.

 

[nuraman00]

What do you call him? That's what I want to know.

Joe Ingles or Joseph English. Sigh.

I've cooled off Joseph English.

He hasn't had a 3 steal game since November 10.

He started the year with several 3 steal games.

 

[MHSL82]

@nuraman00 , I think you might like my MVP for the Nuggets game, even though you may disagree. I'll post it later tonight or tomorrow.

Jazz vs. Nuggets - Box Score - January 5, 2018 - ESPN

Never mind, I didn't see the turnovers. And he shot under 50 percent. I expected him to eventually get one.

Ended up not giving it to him. He has to protect the ball and score more, too. He'll do it before the season is over.

 

[nuraman00]

Ingles turnovers are troublesome.

As is the fact that he's averaging 1.0 steals even though he started the season with several 3 steal games. He has 40 steals in 40 games.

He has 71 turnovers in 40 games.

His Steal / Turnover ratio isn't good.

What were Malone, Kirilenko, and Stockton's career Steals / Turnover ratio?

How does it compare to some of the Jazz players this season?

 

[nuraman00]

Jingles needs to make more noise.

 

[nuraman00]

Do you think Jingles needs to be shaken harder?

 

[MHSL82]

Do you think Jingles needs to be shaken harder?

He needs to stop listening to people telling him to shoot more. I don't listen to radio much, but I did hear an interview where he talked about everyone telling him to just shoot the ball, that it was frustrating to them to see him pass the ball off when he had a good shot open. He said he tries to go based upon instincts. I think he's going against his instincts and it is hurting his shooting and possibly assists.