The definition of "fame"

[Jiddy]

the state of being known or talked about by many people, especially on account of notable achievements.


These f*cktards screwed our boy Hester. FFS you ask a random casual fan about greatest kick returners of all-time and if they don't call him out by name specifically the answer will almost definitely be "That dude from the Bears."

Total shenanigans.

He changed entire games single-handedly with only a couple touches per game. LOL I remember fans wanting coaches' heads just for kicking to him.

For the entirety of my football watching career, I had gone to the bathroom or to fix some food or whatever whenever it was commercial/kickoff after a score. I literally changed the way I watched a football game because of Hester. I'd hold that diarrhea-laden sh*t in for as long as it took with these never-ending commercials just to make sure I didn't miss Hester.

Lotta face punches needed this morning with the HOF voters.

 

[richig07]

the state of being known or talked about by many people, especially on account of notable achievements.


These f*cktards screwed our boy Hester. FFS you ask a random casual fan about greatest kick returners of all-time and if they don't call him out by name specifically the answer will almost definitely be "That dude from the Bears."

Total shenanigans.

He changed entire games single-handedly with only a couple touches per game. LOL I remember fans wanting coaches' heads just for kicking to him.

For the entirety of my football watching career, I had gone to the bathroom or to fix some food or whatever whenever it was commercial/kickoff after a score. I literally changed the way I watched a football game because of Hester. I'd hold that diarrhea-laden sh*t in for as long as it took with these never-ending commercials just to make sure I didn't miss Hester.

Lotta face punches needed this morning with the HOF voters.

Sorry, I love Hester. However, I totally and completely disagree on this topic.

Hester changed the game for a handful of plays per game. Those guys that got in? They changed the game for entire offenses or defenses and how they prepared. A much larger impact. Hester also had... what? 4 seasons of doing that? He had a multitude of years where he was just a "good" return man. In 08 and 09? He literally just wasn't good and lost his kick return gig to Daniel Manning/Johnny Knox.

We all love Devin. He is 100% the best return man of all-time. No question. However, it is FAR from a travesty that he did not get in. He will get in one day. He probably does not deserve to be first ballot, though.

Put it this way... Even despite shattering all return records? It resulted in a mere 20 TD's in 11 seasons. He scored 1.818 times per year. He made a far bigger impact than any return man ever. However, he's still ONLY a return man and could impact just a small percentage of the game.

Actual full-time football players belong in first and foremost. The HOF is for the greatest football players of all-time. There's an argument that specialists should never be considered to be among the midst of that. Which... I probably (maybe?) disagree with, but there is an argument to be made. Just like Ray Guy, Hester will get in when it's appropriate. It is not appropriate for a specialist to get in 1st ballot, IMO.

 

[BearsWillWin]

Every Hall of Famer in Canton has seasons where they weren't great. Every single one. So to say Hester had some off years and that's why he shouldn't make it is asinine. If the criteria to get in is every year has to be HOF quality season then Canton is empty.

Devin Hester changed things. He impacted plays when he wasn't even touching the ball because teams would rather kick the ball out of bounds than kick it to him.

The HOF is for players that, at their respective position, were head and shoulders above their peers. Hester was exactly that. It doesn't matter how many times he touched the ball per game. For a good period of time he was the best at what did...which is exactly what places like Canton are all about.

Richard Seymour just made it and he honestly never really did anything special in his career. Never led the league in anything. Was probably among the best defensive linemen when he played but I don't think anyone ever looked at him and said there's the best DT in football. And if he had spent his entire career playing for the Browns or Bengals or Dolphins and not on a team with SB titles.....he's probably still waiting for enshrinement.

Hester can't be compared to "full time" players. He's looked at as a KR/PR.....compare him to other KR and PR. He's the best. Ever. Period. Give him his jacket.

 

[Debbie Does]

Ray Guy waited and waited. He finally made it.

He was also the backup QB for a while. And when the coverage broke down and he was the last man to beat, that runner was goin' down.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

I'm confident that Hester at some point will get in, maybe even the next vote.

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

the state of being known or talked about by many people, especially on account of notable achievements.


These f*cktards screwed our boy Hester. FFS you ask a random casual fan about greatest kick returners of all-time and if they don't call him out by name specifically the answer will almost definitely be "That dude from the Bears."

Total shenanigans.

He changed entire games single-handedly with only a couple touches per game. LOL I remember fans wanting coaches' heads just for kicking to him.

For the entirety of my football watching career, I had gone to the bathroom or to fix some food or whatever whenever it was commercial/kickoff after a score. I literally changed the way I watched a football game because of Hester. I'd hold that diarrhea-laden sh*t in for as long as it took with these never-ending commercials just to make sure I didn't miss Hester.

Lotta face punches needed this morning with the HOF voters.

Special teams generally don't get in first ballot

 

[wood20ks]

Theres no doubt in my mind Hester will get there.....All the players ghat got in this year have been waiting a long time,I just hope Devin doesnt wait as long as they did.....

 

[BearsWillWin]

The last six playoff games have been decided by a field goal. One was completely changed by a blocked punt.

But yeah….special teams isn’t all that important because they have less plays than offense and defense.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

I've always felt STs are more important than many so-called experts claim they are. They are often the deciding factors in the outcome of a given game.

 

[richig07]

I've always felt STs are more important than many so-called experts claim they are. They are often the deciding factors in the outcome of a given game.

1st ballot HOF'ers are rare, regardless. I feel like people are really missing that.

And I simply cannot agree. When a SPT's play "decides" a game - the situation only arose from what transpired with your offense/defense being on the field for 95% of it. The vast majority of SPT's plays are absolutely meaningless. Touchbacks, fair catches, short returns, etc. Think about how small of a percentage SPT's plays represent to begin with. THEN... NOW think about how small of a percentage of THOSE plays actually impact your season. There's what? A handful of plays in a given season that matter? That's microscopic in the grand scheme of things.

When a kicker hits a game winning FG or something along those lines. The kicker is only in that position because the offense put him in position for it to be that way. Along with how the defense played over the course of said game. SPT's can bite you in the ass in a big moment, sure. However, you can have the best SPT's in the league and it doesn't mean dick if your full-time players aren't worth a damn. On the other hand, we see teams in the playoffs constantly who struggle on SPT's.

People love to point out "Oh, in these postseason games. Special teams sure can help decide things!" In reality, did that one play decide things? Or did the fact that you couldn't run the ball, turned it over multiple times, couldn't stop the run, couldn't get a pass rush, etc. decide the game in a much larger fashion?

Sure, SPT's "matters". Like I said, it can bite you in the ass, no doubt. A good punter, kicker, return man, etc. can help the team out. However, I think the respect it gets paid is about on par with what it should be.

Ravens Finish 2021 Ranked No. 1 for Special Teams

Led by Pro Bowlers Justin Tucker and Devin Duvernay, the Ravens finished the 2021 season ranked No. 1 for special teams, according to Rick Gosselin, who has covered the NFL for 49 years.

www.si.com

Bears, Ravens Seahawks, Lions, Giants, Colts, Saints... all in the top ten on SPT's. 7 of the top 10 in SPT's missed the postseason. 4 of these 7 lost double digit games. Ravens were #1 and missed playoffs.

Rams and Bengals check in at 12th and 16th.

 

[BsGenius]

I've always felt STs are more important than many so-called experts claim they are. They are often the deciding factors in the outcome of a given game.

This is horseshit.

* Most experts agree that ST is very important
* STs are often the deciding factors after the offense and or defense has done their jobs
* STs will always be the 3rd fiddle

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

This is horseshit.

* Most experts agree that ST is very important
* STs are often the deciding factors after the offense and or defense has done their jobs
* STs will always be the 3rd fiddle

Good grief Corky, didn't mean to rile you so. Hey if you think most experts believe STs are very important, I'm good.

 

[BsGenius]

Good grief Corky, didn't mean to rile you so. Hey if you think most experts believe STs are very important, I'm good.

You don't read much do you?

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

You don't read much do you?

Too busy painting you into a corner over your dumb "let's throw the season" opinion to do much reading.

 

[BsGenius]

Too busy painting you into a corner over your dumb "let's throw the season" opinion to do much reading.

k

 

[BearsWillWin]

People love to point out "Oh, in these postseason games. Special teams sure can help decide things!" In reality, did that one play decide things?

Does one play in any game ever decide the entire game, numb nuts?

 

[Jiddy]

I've cooled off of my original hot take in creating this thread. Gonna be honest, I didn't realize the NFL typically capped the nominations each year from 4 to 8 players. (There is no limit per the actual rules but it seems they do this for a variety of fair reasons.) If that is the case, and most certainly the other 8 chosen were worthy, then I understand more of....oh yeah-get ready for some PTDS-"the why."

If the reasoning was just because "We don't let special teamers in on the first go" well then f*ck that. That's the dumbest sh*t ever. Hester will get in. They maxed their upper limit this season and that is that. Had they only allowed 7 and Hester was still out we'd be burning this mother f*cker down.

 

[wood20ks]

I've cooled off of my original hot take in creating this thread. Gonna be honest, I didn't realize the NFL typically capped the nominations each year from 4 to 8 players. (There is no limit per the actual rules but it seems they do this for a variety of fair reasons.) If that is the case, and most certainly the other 8 chosen were worthy, then I understand more of....oh yeah-get ready for some PTDS-"the why."

If the reasoning was just because "We don't let special teamers in on the first go" well then f*ck that. That's the dumbest sh*t ever. Hester will get in. They maxed their upper limit this season and that is that. Had they only allowed 7 and Hester was still out we'd be burning this mother f*cker down.

Hester was one of the finalists for the running.....
Theres no doubt he will make it......

 

[richig07]

Does one play in any game ever decide the entire game, numb nuts?

Of course not. I never suggested that. Nor did I indirectly imply that.

Hope you enjoyed the SB, BWW. Cheers

 

[richig07]

Hester was one of the finalists for the running.....
Theres no doubt he will make it......

Him missing out has created enough talk that I have to think he gets in next year. Different circumstances, but it reminds of the aftermath of TO not getting in first ballot.