The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[UK Cowboy]

You made the comment.

Back it up admit you're full of shit.

Ballwasher. Youre full of shit

 

[trojanfan12]

Ballwasher. Youre full of shit

Bring your receipts or admit you're full of shit.

 

[rmilia1]

Do you think Kobe better than LeBron?

Done this.

Not a single logic based argument for Kobe.

Kobe was a much better defender. But he was also better than MJ

And he was probably the best "tough shot maker" I've ever seen

But offensively he wasn't as good overall as LeBron

I have Kobe higher all time than most because i think he's probably the best defensive G of all time amongst the people in the top 20 convo and defense is half the game so i have him 6th behind Kareem, MJ, LBJ, Magic and Duncan

But there's not a lot separating 5 through 13 for me ( Duncan, Kobe, Russell, Steph, Wilt, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem and Big O )

 

[tlance]

Kobe was a much better defender. But he was also better than MJ

And he was probably the best "tough shot maker" I've ever seen

But offensively he wasn't as good overall as LeBron

I have Kobe higher all time than most because i think he's probably the best defensive G of all time amongst the people in the top 20 convo and defense is half the game so i have him 6th behind Kareem, MJ, LBJ, Magic and Duncan

But there's not a lot separating 5 through 13 for me ( Duncan, Kobe, Russell, Steph, Wilt, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem and Big O )

See, I completely disagree with Kobe being a better defender.

People forget how good LeBron was defensively at his peak.

 

[Black Adam]

 

[eaglesnut]

Will say anything to diminish the one player closest to him.

Wrong and lying. Way to run away from yourself. You should get better at that.

 

[eaglesnut]

See, I completely disagree with Kobe being a better defender.

People forget how good LeBron was defensively at his peak.

Lol wow. And people like you are reinventing history.

 

[tlance]

Lol wow. And people like you are reinventing history.

No, that would be you.

First team all defense 5 times.

Acting like LeBron wasn’t a great defensive player. He guarded 1-4 and was arguably the best perimeter defender in the league during his Miami days.

 

[eaglesnut]

No, that would be you.

First team all defense 5 times.

Acting like LeBron wasn’t a great defensive player. He guarded 1-4 and was arguably the best perimeter defender in the league during his Miami days.

"I couldn't figure out how to play with Wade."
"I didn't get a touch on offense two times in a row"
"I cried"
"I'm like man I don't want to do this I'm just playing defense."

Lmao

 

[dtgold88]

"I couldn't figure out how to play with Wade."
"I didn't get a touch on offense two times in a row"
"I cried"
"I'm like man I don't want to do this I'm just playing defense."

Lmao

eaglesnut - "I make up quotes to support my irrational agenda and when caught lying I will never own it."

 

[eaglesnut]

eaglesnut - "I make up quotes to support my irrational agenda and when caught lying I will never own it."

Dtgold cried

 

[dtgold88]

Dtgold cried

I'm laughing at you and your hugging of nuts. Free comedy.

 

[Black Adam]

May as well see if the great MJ vs. LBJ debate continues...

 

[Mr. Friscus]

See, I completely disagree with Kobe being a better defender.

People forget how good LeBron was defensively at his peak.

I'm pretty sure those on the defense for MJ view it as "If he didn't win DPOY he wasn't that good" kinda logic.

Complexity isn't something they're largely interested in.