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POLL Take away ‘pick off’ move?

Take away ‘pick off’ move?

  • Yes, make pitchers step off the rubber

  • No, keep the current pick-off move


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ElTexan

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Take away ‘pick off’ move.

Make pitchers step off the rubber before throwing to a base.

What say you?
 

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One missed call shouldn't result in changing something......
 

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Since the runner is trying to get an advantage effectively by cheating, why should the pitcher be victimized by that?
 

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One missed call shouldn't result in changing something......
Yeah. It’s more than one. And you know it.
Also, a few more stolen bases off of lefties would be a good thing
 

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Since the runner is trying to get an advantage effectively by cheating, why should the pitcher be victimized by that?
We are taking out an ambiguity, and the system will naturally still reach an equilibrium... just one that doesn’t have a giant ambiguity built in.
 

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Since the runner is trying to get an advantage effectively by cheating, why should the pitcher be victimized by that?
Then why, by that same logic, can’t the pitcher pretend to go home, stop, and turn and throw the runner out?
See? It’s just the rules that we want. Stop arguing status quo just for status quo sake.
Taking out an ambiguity, and one that might lead to a few more stolen bases at that, is a good thing.
 

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Take away ‘pick off’ move.

Make pitchers step off the rubber before throwing to a base.

What say you?
Kinda hard for the pitcher to hold the runner at first when he knows you have to throw the ball to the plate or hold it. You take away the pick up move and Dee Gordon will steal 150 bases next year.
 

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Then why, by that same logic, can’t the pitcher pretend to go home, stop, and turn and throw the runner out?
See? It’s just the rules that we want. Stop arguing status quo just for status quo sake.
Taking out an ambiguity, and one that might lead to a few more stolen bases at that, is a good thing.
I didn't know I was "arguing" for any such thing. There is a rule on pickoffs and when it's violated the offending team is penalized. There is nothing wrong with the rule. Status quo is perfectly OK sometimes. You want to be some kind of social pioneer, maybe take aim on something that matters. You show one clip of an ump missing a call and suddenly the whole damned world has gone wacky. Cheesh, this isn't even a 'thing.'
 

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Kinda hard for the pitcher to hold the runner at first when he knows you have to throw the ball to the plate or hold it. You take away the pick up move and Dee Gordon will steal 150 bases next year.
He can throw it to the base. He just has to step off the rubber.
 

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I didn't know I was "arguing" for any such thing. There is a rule on pickoffs and when it's violated the offending team is penalized. There is nothing wrong with the rule. Status quo is perfectly OK sometimes. You want to be some kind of social pioneer, maybe take aim on something that matters. You show one clip of an ump missing a call and suddenly the whole damned world has gone wacky. Cheesh, this isn't even a 'thing.'
It’s many many instances and you know it.
Also, having a few more stolen bases would be a good thing
 

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It’s many many instances and you know it.
Also, having a few more stolen bases would be a good thing
Seeing teams try harder to manufacture runs would certainly be a good thing. Too many teams now days trying to play Earl Weaver ball (wait for the three run homer).
 

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We probably ought to give more of a shit about umpires who are too damned lazy to call the game properly instead of changing the rules.

The stolen base was a major weapon in the 70s and 80s ... then they built little ballparks, pumped up the steroids ... trimmed away all the foul territory.

The balk move to first is only going to endure so long as the lazy-ass umps let "New York" fix all their fuckups. The pickoff play is probably the least of my concerns. The finger-off-the-bag out call at third base is the worst.
 

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We probably ought to give more of a shit about umpires who are too damned lazy to call the game properly instead of changing the rules.

The stolen base was a major weapon in the 70s and 80s ... then they built little ballparks, pumped up the steroids ... trimmed away all the foul territory.

The balk move to first is only going to endure so long as the lazy-ass umps let "New York" fix all their fuckups. The pickoff play is probably the least of my concerns. The finger-off-the-bag out call at third base is the worst.

Right

I always thought replay was to correct a mistake, not to look for the split millisecond that physics says a person is off the bag
 

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No. But yes pitchers certainly are stretching the boundries on what is or isn't a legal pick off move...
 

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Pretty much every rule change other than banning PEDs since the dead ball era has been to benefit offense. I'm fine with it staying as is. Not like pickoffs are extremely common anyways.
 

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No. But yes pitchers certainly are stretching the boundries on what is or isn't a legal pick off move...

Bingo, just make the umpires do their job and enforce the rule.
 

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I think if the stolen base ever becomes a strategy again, MLB will lose its lunch. You just can't hype these guys as much. Nobody wants to see somebody steal 2nd base. They want to listen to announcers scream like rabid dogs when somebody hits a 500-foot home run when the score is 9-1.
 

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Almost every pick off move I see, whether it be a lefty or righty, is a balk the way I learned to play growing up.
 
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