Some FUN Jordan vs. LeBron Facts...

[MAGA2024]

Fun Fact #1
Game Score (which measures a player' "all around" greatness) = (Points)+0.4*(Field Goals Made)+0.7*(Offensive Rebounds)+0.3*(Defensive rebounds)+(Steals)+0.7*(Assists)+0.7*(Blocked Shots)- 0.7*(Field Goal Attempts)-0.4*(Free Throws Missed) – 0.4*(Personal Fouls)-(Turnovers)

LeBron in 23 seasons: 27 total games with a GameScore of 40 or above (1,622 Total games played)
MJ in "just the 80's": 29 Total games with a GameScore of 40 or above (345 Total games played)

Fun Fact #2
Michael Jordan outscored his next highest Scoring teammate/s by 25 or more Points a whopping 26 times in just 179 Playoff starts... that's as many as LeBron and Kobe in a "combined" 502 Playoff starts:

Jordan: 26 times in 179 Playoff starts
LeBron: 17 out of 302
Kobe: 9 out of 200
Wilt: 6 out of 160

Fun Fact #3
LeBron, Kobe and Wilt "combined" had 12 (out of 662) Playoff games where they outscored their second highest (scoring) teammate by 30 or more points... Jordan (in just 179 Playoff games) did in 15 times!

For you Pct. geeks, that means Jordan did it 25% "more" in 73% FEWER games!

Fun Fact #4
Out of 266 Finals games played, and among 2,666 "starting" players (from 1980 to 2026) only Michael Jordan managed to make "over" five (5) 3-point shots AND dish out "over" 10 Assists in a single Finals game (Game 1 of the 1992 Finals, with 6 made 3-pointers and 11 Assists... with only 1 Turnover).

Fun Fact #5
Jordan eliminated 13 of the NBA's "Top 75 Greatest Players" from the Playoffs, the same number as LeBron (for all those who claim James faced superior competition). By comparison:

Steph: 15
Magic: 14
Isiah: 14
Jordan: 13
LeBron: 13
Bird: 13
Kareem: 12
Russell: 10

Fun Fact #6
Going back the last 50 years every "team" in the EC that won 65 or more games won the Championship that year... except for LeBron's 2009 Cavs. The list includes the 1983 Sixers, the 1986 Celtics, the 2013 Heat, and Jordan's 1992/1996/1997 Bulls.

Fun Fact #7
LeBron's "2009" Cavs were one (1) of only 9 "teams" in NBA history to win 74 of their first 90 games in a season (basically the regular season and first 2 rounds of the playoffs, more or less: The 67 Sixers, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics, 96 and 97 Bulls, 16 and 17 Warriors, 25 Thunder, and the 09 Cavs.

Of those 9 "teams" only the 2016 Warriors and LeBron's 2009 Cavs failed to win the Championship.

Fun Fact #8
Michael Jordan is the only All Time Great to "never" lose 3 or more games in a Playoff series against a sub 50-win team (LeBron did it 4 times: 2012 ECF, 2013 ECF, 2018 First Round, and 2025 First Round)

Fun Fact #9
42% of LeBron's 57 total Playoff series (24) came against sub 50 win teams, and 32% (18 series) came against under 45 win teams
27% of Jordan's 37 total Playoff series (10) came against sub 50 win teams, and 24% (9 series) came against under 45 win teams

Fun Fact #10
8 of LeBron's 57 total Playoff series came against .500 or worse teams (14%)
2 of Jordan's 37 total Playoff series came against .500 or worse teams (5%)

But but but Pippen, and weak competition... ... the Fun Facts prove otherwise of course, as it seems the deeper we dive down the MJ vs. LeBron rabbit hole the more it becomes evident LeBron is not only "not" the GOAT, but he's not even close to Jordan.

Anyone got any more Fun Facts to share?

 

[tlance]

Fun Fact #1
Game Score (which measures a player' "all around" greatness) = (Points)+0.4*(Field Goals Made)+0.7*(Offensive Rebounds)+0.3*(Defensive rebounds)+(Steals)+0.7*(Assists)+0.7*(Blocked Shots)- 0.7*(Field Goal Attempts)-0.4*(Free Throws Missed) – 0.4*(Personal Fouls)-(Turnovers)

LeBron in 23 seasons: 27 total games with a GameScore of 40 or above (1,622 Total games played)
MJ in "just the 80's": 29 Total games with a GameScore of 40 or above (345 Total games played)

Fun Fact #2
Michael Jordan outscored his next highest Scoring teammate/s by 25 or more Points a whopping 26 times in just 179 Playoff starts... that's as many as LeBron and Kobe in a "combined" 502 Playoff starts:

Jordan: 26 times in 179 Playoff starts
LeBron: 17 out of 302
Kobe: 9 out of 200
Wilt: 6 out of 160

Fun Fact #3
LeBron, Kobe and Wilt "combined" had 12 (out of 662) Playoff games where they outscored their second highest (scoring) teammate by 30 or more points... Jordan (in just 179 Playoff games) did in 15 times!

For you Pct. geeks, that means Jordan did it 25% "more" in 73% FEWER games!

Fun Fact #4
Out of 266 Finals games played, and among 2,666 "starting" players (from 1980 to 2026) only Michael Jordan managed to make "over" five (5) 3-point shots AND dish out "over" 10 Assists in a single Finals game (Game 1 of the 1992 Finals, with 6 made 3-pointers and 11 Assists... with only 1 Turnover).

Fun Fact #5
Jordan eliminated 13 of the NBA's "Top 75 Greatest Players" from the Playoffs, the same number as LeBron (for all those who claim James faced superior competition). By comparison:

Steph: 15
Magic: 14
Isiah: 14
Jordan: 13
LeBron: 13
Bird: 13
Kareem: 12
Russell: 10

Fun Fact #6
Going back the last 50 years every "team" in the EC that won 65 or more games won the Championship that year... except for LeBron's 2009 Cavs. The list includes the 1983 Sixers, the 1986 Celtics, the 2013 Heat, and Jordan's 1992/1996/1997 Bulls.

Fun Fact #7
LeBron's "2009" Cavs were one (1) of only 9 "teams" in NBA history to win 74 of their first 90 games in a season (basically the regular season and first 2 rounds of the playoffs, more or less: The 67 Sixers, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics, 96 and 97 Bulls, 16 and 17 Warriors, 25 Thunder, and the 09 Cavs.

Of those 9 "teams" only the 2016 Warriors and LeBron's 2009 Cavs failed to win the Championship.

Fun Fact #8
Michael Jordan is the only All Time Great to "never" lose 3 or more games in a Playoff series against a sub 50-win team (LeBron did it 4 times: 2012 ECF, 2013 ECF, 2018 First Round, and 2025 First Round)

Fun Fact #9
42% of LeBron's 57 total Playoff series (24) came against sub 50 win teams, and 32% (18 series) came against under 45 win teams
27% of Jordan's 37 total Playoff series (10) came against sub 50 win teams, and 24% (9 series) came against under 45 win teams

Fun Fact #10
8 of LeBron's 57 total Playoff series came against .500 or worse teams (14%)
2 of Jordan's 37 total Playoff series came against .500 or worse teams (5%)

But but but Pippen, and weak competition... ... the Fun Facts prove otherwise of course, as it seems the deeper we dive down the MJ vs. LeBron rabbit hole the more it becomes evident LeBron is not only "not" the GOAT, but he's not even close to Jordan.

Anyone got any more Fun Facts to share?

2009 Cavs way overachieved in the regular season.

You make them seem like an all time great team. They were not close to that.

And of course Jordan’s scoring accolades are going to look a lot more impressive than LeBron’s.

LeBron is a point forward who is also an elite scorer. Jordan is score first score second.

 

[DJ "I'm blessed" Fieri]

2009 Cavs way overachieved in the regular season.

You make them seem like an all time great team. They were not close to that.

And of course Jordan’s scoring accolades are going to look a lot more impressive than LeBron’s.

LeBron is a point forward who is also an elite scorer. Jordan is score first score second.

It's not that hard to understand.....

MAGA and SJ are just such MJ fan boi's.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Don't give this dude an ounce of time on this

 

[Hotel Security]

I find it funny that MAGA has JUST figured out that this is a hot-button topic in 2026 when it's been a lazy bait narrative for 15+ years now. And he also doesn't realize that it's very easy for real sports fans to see AI-generated analysis. And I'm sure he bolded all those statements on his own?

It's like he just discovered how to potty train. I want to pinch his adorable troll cheeks.

 

[SJ76]

It's not that hard to understand.....

MAGA and SJ are just such MJ fan boi's.

What number does LeBron have? Seems he’s a fan boi too lol

You got to get better at this

 

[dtgold88]

Fun Fact #1
Game Score (which measures a player' "all around" greatness) = (Points)+0.4*(Field Goals Made)+0.7*(Offensive Rebounds)+0.3*(Defensive rebounds)+(Steals)+0.7*(Assists)+0.7*(Blocked Shots)- 0.7*(Field Goal Attempts)-0.4*(Free Throws Missed) – 0.4*(Personal Fouls)-(Turnovers)

LeBron in 23 seasons: 27 total games with a GameScore of 40 or above (1,622 Total games played)
MJ in "just the 80's": 29 Total games with a GameScore of 40 or above (345 Total games played)

Fun Fact #2
Michael Jordan outscored his next highest Scoring teammate/s by 25 or more Points a whopping 26 times in just 179 Playoff starts... that's as many as LeBron and Kobe in a "combined" 502 Playoff starts:

Jordan: 26 times in 179 Playoff starts
LeBron: 17 out of 302
Kobe: 9 out of 200
Wilt: 6 out of 160

Fun Fact #3
LeBron, Kobe and Wilt "combined" had 12 (out of 662) Playoff games where they outscored their second highest (scoring) teammate by 30 or more points... Jordan (in just 179 Playoff games) did in 15 times!

For you Pct. geeks, that means Jordan did it 25% "more" in 73% FEWER games!

Fun Fact #4
Out of 266 Finals games played, and among 2,666 "starting" players (from 1980 to 2026) only Michael Jordan managed to make "over" five (5) 3-point shots AND dish out "over" 10 Assists in a single Finals game (Game 1 of the 1992 Finals, with 6 made 3-pointers and 11 Assists... with only 1 Turnover).

Fun Fact #5
Jordan eliminated 13 of the NBA's "Top 75 Greatest Players" from the Playoffs, the same number as LeBron (for all those who claim James faced superior competition). By comparison:

Steph: 15
Magic: 14
Isiah: 14
Jordan: 13
LeBron: 13
Bird: 13
Kareem: 12
Russell: 10

Fun Fact #6
Going back the last 50 years every "team" in the EC that won 65 or more games won the Championship that year... except for LeBron's 2009 Cavs. The list includes the 1983 Sixers, the 1986 Celtics, the 2013 Heat, and Jordan's 1992/1996/1997 Bulls.

Fun Fact #7
LeBron's "2009" Cavs were one (1) of only 9 "teams" in NBA history to win 74 of their first 90 games in a season (basically the regular season and first 2 rounds of the playoffs, more or less: The 67 Sixers, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics, 96 and 97 Bulls, 16 and 17 Warriors, 25 Thunder, and the 09 Cavs.

Of those 9 "teams" only the 2016 Warriors and LeBron's 2009 Cavs failed to win the Championship.

Fun Fact #8
Michael Jordan is the only All Time Great to "never" lose 3 or more games in a Playoff series against a sub 50-win team (LeBron did it 4 times: 2012 ECF, 2013 ECF, 2018 First Round, and 2025 First Round)

Fun Fact #9
42% of LeBron's 57 total Playoff series (24) came against sub 50 win teams, and 32% (18 series) came against under 45 win teams
27% of Jordan's 37 total Playoff series (10) came against sub 50 win teams, and 24% (9 series) came against under 45 win teams

Fun Fact #10
8 of LeBron's 57 total Playoff series came against .500 or worse teams (14%)
2 of Jordan's 37 total Playoff series came against .500 or worse teams (5%)

But but but Pippen, and weak competition... ... the Fun Facts prove otherwise of course, as it seems the deeper we dive down the MJ vs. LeBron rabbit hole the more it becomes evident LeBron is not only "not" the GOAT, but he's not even close to Jordan.

Anyone got any more Fun Facts to share?

weird it's just a but, but, but fact since it's really kind of important but Fun Fact 11
MJ without Pippen - never more than 41 wins and no playoff series wins
Lebron without any top 75 players in that 2009 season you mention (as some sort of indictment which is odd) 60+ wins and playoff series win.
and of course Pippen no MJ - 55 wins and a playoff series win

Fun fact #12 - you are an extreme fanboy and think if you say anything negative about MJ he might see it and not be your friend.

 

[dtgold88]

2009 Cavs way overachieved in the regular season.

You make them seem like an all time great team. They were not close to that.

And of course Jordan’s scoring accolades are going to look a lot more impressive than LeBron’s.

LeBron is a point forward who is also an elite scorer. Jordan is score first score second.

Yeah that 2009 Cavs' team as some indictment on Lebron for winning 60+ and playoff series is crazy.

 

[Hotel Security]

Geez, way to take the bait.

You realize OP doesn't believe any of this, right? He doesn't even know what it means. He's just a kid.

 

[DJ "I'm blessed" Fieri]

That 2009 team was a little better than the '07 Cavs team but yes they def overachieved.

 

[MAGA2024]

2009 Cavs way overachieved in the regular season.

You make them seem like an all time great team. They were not close to that.

And of course Jordan’s scoring accolades are going to look a lot more impressive than LeBron’s.

LeBron is a point forward who is also an elite scorer. Jordan is score first score second.

I laid out a plethora of facts and statistics about the 2009 Cavs to suggest you're just making excuses for LeBron... those 2009 Cavs "swept" the first 2 rounds of the playoffs (by an average win-margin of 15 and 18 PPG) and they were HEAVY favorites to beat the Magic heading into the series, especially since Orlando was without their All Star PG. So no, they didn't just "overachieve" in the regular season. Even more proof? They came back the next year and won 60+ as the #1 seed.

As for Scoring, yes, Jordan was much more impressive and dominating (especially in the Playoffs and Finals)... and "Scoring" is by far and away the most important facet of the Offense.

That carries a TON of weight in separating the two players in a GOAT debate.

 

[MAGA2024]

Don't give this dude an ounce of time on this

Why... you afraid of facts/truth?

 

[MAGA2024]

I find it funny that MAGA has JUST figured out that this is a hot-button topic in 2026 when it's been a lazy bait narrative for 15+ years now. And he also doesn't realize that it's very easy for real sports fans to see AI-generated analysis. And I'm sure he bolded all those statements on his own?

It's like he just discovered how to potty train. I want to pinch his adorable troll cheeks.

STOP derailing this thread with off-topic drivel.

 

[MAGA2024]

That 2009 team was a little better than the '07 Cavs team but yes they def overachieved.

LeBron fans: "When LeBron's team loses a series they were HEAVILY favored to win, it's because they were simply overachievers due to LeBron's greatness. When LeBron's team beats a team that was favored to win, it's because of LeBron's greatness."



Do you guys even listen to yourselves?

 

[MAGA2024]

Geez, way to take the bait.

You realize OP doesn't believe any of this, right? He doesn't even know what it means. He's just a kid.

STOP derailing this thread with off topic drivel!

Mr. Mod?

 

[DJ "I'm blessed" Fieri]

LeBron fans: "When LeBron's team loses a series they were HEAVILY favored to win, it's because they were simply overachievers due to LeBron's greatness. When LeBron's team beats a team that was favored to win, it's because of LeBron's greatness."



Do you guys even listen to yourselves?

You are clueless if you think the '07 and '09 teams were really any good.

MJ's teams (once Pipp came along) were way better than those 2 teams Bron played on.

 

[tlance]

I laid out a plethora of facts and statistics about the 2009 Cavs to suggest you're just making excuses for LeBron... those 2009 Cavs "swept" the first 2 rounds of the playoffs (by an average win-margin of 15 and 18 PPG) and they were HEAVY favorites to beat the Magic heading into the series, especially since Orlando was without their All Star PG. So no, they didn't just "overachieve" in the regular season. Even more proof? They came back the next year and won 60+ as the #1 seed.

As for Scoring, yes, Jordan was much more impressive and dominating (especially in the Playoffs and Finals)... and "Scoring" is by far and away the most important facet of the Offense.

That carries a TON of weight in separating the two players in a GOAT debate.

Here are some more facts for you:

Mo Williams was their second best player.

Here are their top minute getters in order behind LeBron:

Williams
Delonte West
Anderson Varejao
Big Z
Booby Gibson
34 year old Ben Wallace
Wally Szcerbiak

These are all role players. The team achieved what it did in the regular season for 1 reason. LeBron majorly elevated everyone on the roster. He even finished 2nd in DPOY voting for those who want to knock LeBron’s defense.

 

[dtgold88]

I laid out a plethora of facts and statistics about the 2009 Cavs to suggest you're just making excuses for LeBron... those 2009 Cavs "swept" the first 2 rounds of the playoffs (by an average win-margin of 15 and 18 PPG) and they were HEAVY favorites to beat the Magic heading into the series, especially since Orlando was without their All Star PG. So no, they didn't just "overachieve" in the regular season. Even more proof? They came back the next year and won 60+ as the #1 seed.

As for Scoring, yes, Jordan was much more impressive and dominating (especially in the Playoffs and Finals)... and "Scoring" is by far and away the most important facet of the Offense.

That carries a TON of weight in separating the two players in a GOAT debate.

best teammate likely Zygrunas Ilguaskas and won 60+ with series wins.

No Pippen and no series wins for MJ or even +.500 record

Lie, dance, spin, move goal posts, etc. you cannot get around this.....but it's funny watching you try.

 

[dtgold88]

Why... you afraid of facts/truth?

oh, the irony.

 

[dtgold88]

Here are some more facts for you:

Mo Williams was their second best player.

Here are their top minute getters in order behind LeBron:

Williams
Delonte West
Anderson Varejao
Big Z
Booby Gibson
34 year old Ben Wallace
Wally Szcerbiak

These are all role players. The team achieved what it did in the regular season for 1 reason. LeBron majorly elevated everyone on the roster. He even finished 2nd in DPOY voting for those who want to knock LeBron’s defense.

Really is next level he tried to use that season as some knock on Lebron.