So we are staying in the 3-4, so a NT is the #1 priority

[duke1861]

Brandon Williams...come on down!

Greg Manusky says Redskins will stick with 3-4; must 'stop the run'

 

[Sharkinva]

OH Joy.

 

[duke1861]

OH Joy.

Just being the messenger my friend....just a messenger.

 

[Sharkinva]

Just being the messenger my friend....just a messenger.

I know. IM just looking at this as... really?? REALLY??

We better get an NT capable of actually playing NT or this could get Sha' Nay Nay ugly real fast.

 

[duke1861]

I know. IM just looking at this as... really?? REALLY??

We better get an NT capable of actually playing NT or this could get Sha' Nay Nay ugly real fast.

Is Williams the best candidate probably? Poe would be nice but will cost a fortune. Perhaps we actually invest money into the DL for once?

DE = Baker
NT = Poe or Williams
DE= 1st round pick or Lawrence Guy

That DL would help me sleep at night a little better. Pricey...but we would no longer have a DL of human matadors.

Lastly, does Cravens stay at hybrid LB or move to SS?

 

[Sharkinva]

Is Williams the best candidate probably? Poe would be nice but will cost a fortune. Perhaps we actually invest money into the DL for once?

DE = Baker
NT = Poe or Williams
DE= 1st round pick or Lawrence Guy

That DL would help me sleep at night a little better. Pricey...but we would no longer have a DL of human matadors.

IF we are going to really stay a 3-4, i would not be apposed to this D-line.

 

[Sharkinva]

I will say this, as long as we bring in the players, and run the 3-4 the way its supposed to be run, Im fine with it. But if we have an 8th year of the bend over and take it 3-4..... Heads SHOULD roll. Again.

 

[duke1861]

I will say this, as long as we bring in the players, and run the 3-4 the way its supposed to be run, Im fine with it. But if we have an 8th year of the bend over and take it 3-4..... Heads SHOULD roll. Again.

There are lots of free agents out there that can help us on defense. I would love to bring in at least 4 (2 DL, ILB and Safety). The draft can do the rest.

 

[Sharkinva]

There are lots of free agents out there that can help us on defense. I would love to bring in at least 4 (2 DL, ILB and Safety). The draft can do the rest.

OH I agree. But who we bring in wont matter one bit if we go back into a bend but dont break and continue to break mode.

 

[duke1861]

OH I agree. But who we bring in wont matter one bit if we go back into a bend but dont break and continue to break mode.

I agree. Hopefully we bring in Tarver and then our staff will complete. I see lots of reasonable deals with some of the these free agents. I just hope that SM can swallow his pride and admit that the defense needs as massive upgrade and it will take multiple free agent signings and multiple high draft picks to get it on track. I see considerable improvement if we address the DLine and Safety unit. Those were both awful last year.

 

[duke1861]

Here is who I would like to have on our board. This is based off of the Top 100 FA by NFL Trade Rumors. I would like us to pick 5 at reasonable contracts and of course sign our own. This is a great class in talent, youth and depth.

Thoughts?

10. Tony Jefferson S ARI 25
16. Brandon Williams DT BAL 28
21. Logan Ryan CB NE 26
22. Larry Warford G DET 26
24. Dontari Poe DT KC 27
29. Ronald Leary G DAL 28
30. Abry Jones DT JAX 25
35. J.C. Tretter C GB 26
36. Stephon Gilmore CB BUF 26
41. Zach Brown ILB BUF 27
43. Johnathan Hankins DT NYG 25
44. Bennie Logan DT PHI 27
47. Eddie Lacy RB GB 27
50. Kenny Stills WR MIA 25
53. D.J. Swearinger S ARI 25
54. Kenny Britt WR LAR 28
56. Jonathan Cyprien S JAX 27
59. Kevin Minter ILB ARI 26
60. Gerald Hodges ILB SF 26
61. Jahleel Addae S SD 27
63. Stacy McGee DT OAK 27
64. John Simon 3-4 OLB HOU 26
67. Micah Hyde CB GB 26
68. Bradley McDougald S TB 26
69. Lawrence Guy 3-4 DE BAL 27
71. T.J. McDonald S LAR 26
72. Duron Harmon S NE 26
73. Austin Pasztor G CLE 26
74. Sylvester Williams DT DEN 28
83. Robert Woods WR BUF 25
84. Alex Okafor 3-4 OLB ARI 26
85. Datone Jones 3-4 OLB GB 27
97. Cordarrelle Patterson WR MIN 26
99. Luke Joeckel G JAX 25

 

[Sharkinva]

Here is who I would like to have on our board. This is based off of the Top 100 FA by NFL Trade Rumors. I would like us to pick 5 at reasonable contracts and of course sign our own. This is a great class in talent, youth and depth.

Thoughts?

10. Tony Jefferson S ARI 25
16. Brandon Williams DT BAL 28
21. Logan Ryan CB NE 26
22. Larry Warford G DET 26
24. Dontari Poe DT KC 27
29. Ronald Leary G DAL 28
30. Abry Jones DT JAX 25
35. J.C. Tretter C GB 26
36. Stephon Gilmore CB BUF 26
41. Zach Brown ILB BUF 27
43. Johnathan Hankins DT NYG 25
44. Bennie Logan DT PHI 27
47. Eddie Lacy RB GB 27
50. Kenny Stills WR MIA 25
53. D.J. Swearinger S ARI 25
54. Kenny Britt WR LAR 28
56. Jonathan Cyprien S JAX 27
59. Kevin Minter ILB ARI 26
60. Gerald Hodges ILB SF 26
61. Jahleel Addae S SD 27
63. Stacy McGee DT OAK 27
64. John Simon 3-4 OLB HOU 26
67. Micah Hyde CB GB 26
68. Bradley McDougald S TB 26
69. Lawrence Guy 3-4 DE BAL 27
71. T.J. McDonald S LAR 26
72. Duron Harmon S NE 26
73. Austin Pasztor G CLE 26
74. Sylvester Williams DT DEN 28
83. Robert Woods WR BUF 25
84. Alex Okafor 3-4 OLB ARI 26
85. Datone Jones 3-4 OLB GB 27
97. Cordarrelle Patterson WR MIN 26
99. Luke Joeckel G JAX 25

Pretty good list, but I think 80% of them end up staying put. Its already started with the Browns resigning Collins to a pretty nice deal. And most teams are not going to let the 27 and under crowd hit FA as aside from Dallas, and the Jets, no one is really cap strung this year. So unless you are looking at some one from Dallas, NYJ the Chiefs or the Eagles, I dont see alot of guys hitting FA due to cap concerns if they are in the age range you appear to have targeted.

 

[skinsdad62]

we will have to use the draft mostly

maybe a phil taylor can stop gap for us or an AJ francis or an mbu but you might get 1 decent defender at best

 

[duke1861]

we will have to use the draft mostly

maybe a phil taylor can stop gap for us or an AJ francis or an mbu but you might get 1 decent defender at best

Skinsdad- We had the 28th ranked defense with the worst safety unit and DLine in the game. There will be plenty of options for upgrades due to the fact that our defense is so bad. I highly doubt we come away with 1 decent FA defender in the offseason.

If you are going to wait around for the draft mostly, the team will not improve for another 3 years. It doesn't take NFL teams 6 years to improve. We can't be in rebuilding mode for a decade.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

This is based off of the Top 100 FA by NFL Trade Rumors. I would like us to pick 5 at reasonable contracts and of course sign our own.
Thoughts?

This would be my 5;

10. Tony Jefferson S ARI 25
--Although we haven't had success with FA DBs, Jefferson has been efficient in starting and limited roles
he also comes from a 3-4 defense.

16. Brandon Williams DT BAL 28
--His stats are very impressive for a NT, I believe they rank in the top 5.

29. Ronald Leary G DAL 28
--If he's smart Ron will recognize he's the missing link to one of the next up and coming lines in the league.

36. Stephon Gilmore CB BUF 26
--I think we've expected too much from Breeland, especially with no pass rush.
Gilmore should be a huge improvement.


41. Zach Brown ILB BUF 27
--At least one of our starting ILB needs to be replaced. They have been overachievers.

 

[Breed]

Here is who I would like to have on our board. This is based off of the Top 100 FA by NFL Trade Rumors. I would like us to pick 5 at reasonable contracts and of course sign our own. This is a great class in talent, youth and depth.

Thoughts?

10. Tony Jefferson S ARI 25
16. Brandon Williams DT BAL 28
21. Logan Ryan CB NE 26
22. Larry Warford G DET 26
24. Dontari Poe DT KC 27
29. Ronald Leary G DAL 28
30. Abry Jones DT JAX 25
35. J.C. Tretter C GB 26
36. Stephon Gilmore CB BUF 26
41. Zach Brown ILB BUF 27
43. Johnathan Hankins DT NYG 25
44. Bennie Logan DT PHI 27
47. Eddie Lacy RB GB 27
50. Kenny Stills WR MIA 25
53. D.J. Swearinger S ARI 25
54. Kenny Britt WR LAR 28
56. Jonathan Cyprien S JAX 27
59. Kevin Minter ILB ARI 26
60. Gerald Hodges ILB SF 26
61. Jahleel Addae S SD 27
63. Stacy McGee DT OAK 27
64. John Simon 3-4 OLB HOU 26
67. Micah Hyde CB GB 26
68. Bradley McDougald S TB 26
69. Lawrence Guy 3-4 DE BAL 27
71. T.J. McDonald S LAR 26
72. Duron Harmon S NE 26
73. Austin Pasztor G CLE 26
74. Sylvester Williams DT DEN 28
83. Robert Woods WR BUF 25
84. Alex Okafor 3-4 OLB ARI 26
85. Datone Jones 3-4 OLB GB 27
97. Cordarrelle Patterson WR MIN 26
99. Luke Joeckel G JAX 25

We'd of better off signing Damon Harrison last year in FA. That said, At the very least we need a DT/NG and a safety or LB with leadership qualities from the above list.

Skinsdad- We had the 28th ranked defense with the worst safety unit and DLine in the game. There will be plenty of options for upgrades due to the fact that our defense is so bad. I highly doubt we come away with 1 decent FA defender in the offseason.

If you are going to wait around for the draft mostly, the team will not improve for another 3 years. It doesn't take NFL teams 6 years to improve. We can't be in rebuilding mode for a decade.

If we whiff completely in FA. Or worse yet, go at it half-assed like last year. I will be quite peeved.

 

[BeaReylo]

Like I wrote before; I don't have a problem with the Skins running a 3-4 I just haven't been thrilled by the DCs behind the curtains or the players trying to execute it.

If Washington was still running the 4-3 but had bottom dweller coordinators in charge and third string players were 2/3 of the starting group our guys D would still be dreadful.

From what I've heard what a buddy who is an avid Colts fan(as well as a fellow Redskins booster) Manusky is a lateral movement from Barry and we saw what happen when he didn't have any talent. Greg isn't the type to make chicken salad out of chicken feed so McCloughan has to invest some first round talent and cap space towards beefing the defense up. Keep in mind he's seen both Joe and Greg coaching so he has a fairly good idea what to expect from the new hire.

The sad part is, with the new DC he will just have average results with an abundance of talent. However with Gruden and Big Cuz driving the offense a mediocre one will be enough to turn The B&G into a powerhouse.

 

[Sportster 72]

Can anyone explain why our top priority would be a NT who will play on 25-30% of the downs? Are you using this guy at DT also?

What are you going to do with this NT when it is 2nd and long (I know, a dream) and Kerrigan and Murphy are the DEs and Baker is one DT? Who is the other DT? The NT? This is a defense we have been in a lot and will most likely continue to be in under Manusky.

Lets take the D that dad posted the other day. You have Kerrigan and Murphy at ends, Baker and Mysterious person at DT. Mason and Compton in the A gaps. Cravens goes to the weak side of the offense on the line of scrimmage as a potential blitzer. Breeland, Norman and two Mysterious safety are in cover some sort of coverage?

Over and over I see are we 3-4 or 4-3? Our base is 3-4 but we are going to be in 4-3, 4-2 more often than 3-4. So why is NT a priority?

I agree we need another DT, I believe we need a much faster ILBer, I believe we can use another safety. I would take a competent NT but it would not be my first priority unless it was a guy that could play DT in the sets the D will play more often.

 

[skinsdad62]

duke all the fa's we got last season only 2 worked out . and yes we are in a 5 year rebuild

 

[ehb5]

Here is who I would like to have on our board. This is based off of the Top 100 FA by NFL Trade Rumors. I would like us to pick 5 at reasonable contracts and of course sign our own. This is a great class in talent, youth and depth.

Thoughts?

10. Tony Jefferson S ARI 25
16. Brandon Williams DT BAL 28
21. Logan Ryan CB NE 26
22. Larry Warford G DET 26
24. Dontari Poe DT KC 27
29. Ronald Leary G DAL 28
30. Abry Jones DT JAX 25
35. J.C. Tretter C GB 26
36. Stephon Gilmore CB BUF 26
41. Zach Brown ILB BUF 27
43. Johnathan Hankins DT NYG 25
44. Bennie Logan DT PHI 27
47. Eddie Lacy RB GB 27
50. Kenny Stills WR MIA 25
53. D.J. Swearinger S ARI 25
54. Kenny Britt WR LAR 28
56. Jonathan Cyprien S JAX 27
59. Kevin Minter ILB ARI 26
60. Gerald Hodges ILB SF 26
61. Jahleel Addae S SD 27
63. Stacy McGee DT OAK 27
64. John Simon 3-4 OLB HOU 26
67. Micah Hyde CB GB 26
68. Bradley McDougald S TB 26
69. Lawrence Guy 3-4 DE BAL 27
71. T.J. McDonald S LAR 26
72. Duron Harmon S NE 26
73. Austin Pasztor G CLE 26
74. Sylvester Williams DT DEN 28
83. Robert Woods WR BUF 25
84. Alex Okafor 3-4 OLB ARI 26
85. Datone Jones 3-4 OLB GB 27
97. Cordarrelle Patterson WR MIN 26
99. Luke Joeckel G JAX 25

Bolded means Id like them, red means I dont, and normal means Im indifferent