So, Chiefs fans...

[Black Adam]

...the morning after. how does it feel to be CHAMPS...?

I'M still walking on clouds, but that's just me...

 

[Black Adam]

what a difference a year makes...

amazing the Pats fans that turned into Bucs fans last night, but it is what it is, i suppose...

so, this off-season is gonna get interesting. it's pretty evident that we're going to have to invest more into our o-line and our pass rush. I certainly see the need for another pass rush specialist DE or LB. but hey, whatta you guys think...?

 

[Clayton]

what a difference a year makes...

amazing the Pats fans that turned into Bucs fans last night, but it is what it is, i suppose...

so, this off-season is gonna get interesting. it's pretty evident that we're going to have to invest more into our o-line and our pass rush. I certainly see the need for another pass rush specialist DE or LB. but hey, whatta you guys think...?

After I've had time to digest what happened and the hot takes, all I have to say is 'they should've ran the ball more' which probably makes me sounds like an Eagles fan circa 2005.

Bucs played a lot of Cover 2 and 3 with deep safety shells to my knowledge. Ran 10 stunts in the game. Yeah, the Bucs are great at stopping the run but they never really even tried. Chiefs should've ran the ball with Edwards-Helaire until the Bucs shifted to stopping that. CEH is shifty enough to where he can make big DTs miss him in space so the Bucs would have to dedicate the LBers and that would at least have opened things up. Chiefs only ran 2 play action passes all game because why would they ever run play action? PFF said of those 10 stunts that the Bucs ran, 7 of them got Mahomes on the ground. Thats awful. I don't know why you draft CEH in rd1 to ignore him in this matchup. He was getting 8 yards a touch. They needed to feed him more.

Then you have the defense having their expected sloppy penalties on top of unexpected sloppy penalties that weren't called in previous games. The Chiefs needed to keep Brady off the field and couldn't do it.

There is a video game called Ghost of Tsushima where a thief and a samurai are having a conversation about honor. The thief responds 'you haven't actually felt weak in a long time, have you? You need to do what it takes to survive. You fought one way and lost. Now you need to learn a new way'

Chiefs won too many games this year. They weren't as good as their record. They needed to lose a couple more times in the regular season to get the point across that the NFL is hard and you have to adjust. Their gameplan in the Super Bowl was garbage and their execution was worse. Now comes the hard part where they have to keep things going. Super Bowl losers often have a difficult year. Lets see if the Chiefs can reverse that trend.

 

[RaZon]

There is a reason offense tackles go as high as they do in the draft, without a stud there we get what we saw Sunday.

Not much more can really be said about the game, bummer we had that situation.

Mahomes had no time to do anything much less his progressions. And when you can't sustain drives here comes an already tired D back out there. Domino effect.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Gonna be an OL heavy draft ahead one has to think. Kinda makes me sick to think of the OL KC had out there on paper prior to the season and to see what happened as injuries and opt-outs cratered it.

 

[Clayton]

There is a reason offense tackles go as high as they do in the draft, without a stud there we get what we saw Sunday.

Not much more can really be said about the game, bummer we had that situation.

Mahomes had no time to do anything much less his progressions. And when you can't sustain drives here comes an already tired D back out there. Domino effect.

Thats not why they lost by so much, though. The 15 points worth of penalties, the shanked punt, the dropped touchdown. The oline was the biggest deal but they still would've lost with Fisher playing.

 

[Clayton]

Gonna be an OL heavy draft ahead one has to think. Kinda makes me sick to think of the OL KC had out there on paper prior to the season and to see what happened as injuries and opt-outs cratered it.

They had the potential to have one of their best OLs in forever and by the halfway point in the season it was one of the worst in the league held together by their ability to make opponents too scared to blitz Mahomes. I think they'll trade up for an OT or trade back and just plug away at talent. I'm kinda only expecting 1 Offensive lineman to be drafted, tbh.

 

[Center Ice]

After I've had time to digest what happened and the hot takes, all I have to say is 'they should've ran the ball more' which probably makes me sounds like an Eagles fan circa 2005.

Bucs played a lot of Cover 2 and 3 with deep safety shells to my knowledge. Ran 10 stunts in the game. Yeah, the Bucs are great at stopping the run but they never really even tried. Chiefs should've ran the ball with Edwards-Helaire until the Bucs shifted to stopping that. CEH is shifty enough to where he can make big DTs miss him in space so the Bucs would have to dedicate the LBers and that would at least have opened things up. Chiefs only ran 2 play action passes all game because why would they ever run play action? PFF said of those 10 stunts that the Bucs ran, 7 of them got Mahomes on the ground. Thats awful. I don't know why you draft CEH in rd1 to ignore him in this matchup. He was getting 8 yards a touch. They needed to feed him more.

Then you have the defense having their expected sloppy penalties on top of unexpected sloppy penalties that weren't called in previous games. The Chiefs needed to keep Brady off the field and couldn't do it.

There is a video game called Ghost of Tsushima where a thief and a samurai are having a conversation about honor. The thief responds 'you haven't actually felt weak in a long time, have you? You need to do what it takes to survive. You fought one way and lost. Now you need to learn a new way'

Chiefs won too many games this year. They weren't as good as their record. They needed to lose a couple more times in the regular season to get the point across that the NFL is hard and you have to adjust. Their gameplan in the Super Bowl was garbage and their execution was worse. Now comes the hard part where they have to keep things going. Super Bowl losers often have a difficult year. Lets see if the Chiefs can reverse that trend.

The one thing I noticed in the game that was telling is that if you blitz the living shit out of Mahomes, you rattle him. He's a scrambler, all over the place. If you give him 5 seconds to throw the ball, he'll kill you. The league won't give him that anymore. Let's see.

 

[Clayton]

The one thing I noticed in the game that was telling is that if you blitz the living shit out of Mahomes, you rattle him. He's a scrambler, all over the place. If you give him 5 seconds to throw the ball, he'll kill you. The league won't give him that anymore. Let's see.

Thats not what happened, imo. Mahomes has the #1 passer rating against the blitz.

I think what you're noticing is that Mahomes holds on to the ball too long. That is an issue. Sometimes. It was in this matchup.

 

[Clayton]

As an aside, the Chiefs shut down the Bills because they were one dimensional and made Josh Allen run around and hold onto the ball too long and look flustered and lost. We then turned around and did the exact same thing the Bills did in the Super Bowl and expected a different result.

 

[Black Adam]

Thats not why they lost by so much, though. The 15 points worth of penalties, the shanked punt, the dropped touchdown. The oline was the biggest deal but they still would've lost with Fisher playing.

Said from day one that Fisher wasn't worth that pick, though I do understand the reasoning for it...

 

[Fountain City Blues]

So, just sketching this out


Tardif and Niang should be back.

Allegretti moves to center.

Draft Leatherwood with pick 31.

Draft another guard again on day 2.

How *bad* could that OL be?

 

[Clayton]

So, just sketching this out


Tardif and Niang should be back.

Allegretti moves to center.

Draft Leatherwood with pick 31.

Draft another guard again on day 2.

How *bad* could that OL be?

I guess the big question is whether or not Fisher and Schwartz will be back. I think they are both under contract next year. $15 mil for Fisher, $10 mil for Schwartz. Neither under contract after next year.

The Chiefs should be looking to replace Fisher regardless. I assumed thats what the Niang pick was last year. I think with both tackles going down you should probably see them look at someone else that at least has LT potential.

I don't see the Chiefs addressing interior oline. LDT comes back. Reid and Co seem fine just rotating dudes into the interior spots. We'll see.

 

[Black Adam]

I guess the big question is whether or not Fisher and Schwartz will be back. I think they are both under contract next year. $15 mil for Fisher, $10 mil for Schwartz. Neither under contract after next year.

The Chiefs should be looking to replace Fisher regardless. I assumed thats what the Niang pick was last year. I think with both tackles going down you should probably see them look at someone else that at least has LT potential.

I don't see the Chiefs addressing interior oline. LDT comes back. Reid and Co seem fine just rotating dudes into the interior spots. We'll see.

To reiterate, I also believe that a pass rushing specialist should be on the acquisition list, especially considering how much Spags blitzes...

 

[Clayton]

To reiterate, I also believe that a pass rushing specialist should be on the acquisition list, especially considering how much Spags blitzes...

There are multiple sites I've checked on that has KC's top need as DE/Edge Rusher. There are also some high upside guys that don't have the track record to go high in rd1 so its something that will probably be commonly mocked to KC.

Everyone and their mom was mocking CB to KC last year with similar expectations and those fringe rd1 CBs all went well above KC in rd1. So we'll see. Dorsey would take an OT prospect here imo. Not sure about Veach.

The idea that Eric Fisher going down means that the Chiefs had to downgrade 2 offensive line positions is eye opening. The Chiefs are relying on a mediocre, overpaid player because without him their offense can't function properly. Everything about that last sentence is bananas.

My take on it is this: teams don't let you draft a LT or Pass Rusher at the end of rd1 unless there is a catch. Niang had a big ol' catch last year. Gay had a catch last year, too. Veach showed patience with those draft picks after the CEH pick which was more of an immediate improvement. As far as the edge rushers are concerned, I think the one from Wake Forest is the only one that fits what the Chiefs might draft in rd1. The one from Michigan also fits but he will be the 1st or 2nd DE off the board. The top Miami guy will be off the board, too. I believe all of the other DE prospects are a bit undersized and I don't see the Chiefs taking those types of players in their system. I could see them drafting a large number of offensive linemen, though. The question becomes: are those guys more talented than Niang? I'd have to do some 'tape' watching to figure that out.

There might be some DEs at the end of rd1 who look the part but dont have production. I'm not sure if the Chiefs will take that risk.

 

[Clayton]

With the key Kelce drop in the Super Bowl, he wasn't the main target of the play. The Chiefs were actually running wasp on the other side of the field and they would've had it for a 80+yd TD if Mahomes makes the throw and more importantly has the time to make the throw. The Chiefs actually had a WR chip the edge rusher and 2 offensive linemen looking at the Bucs defender on the ground, the Bucs defender got up, past the two defenders and got into Mahomes face. Mahomes then threw the outlet pass to Kelce who was doubled but he is Kelce so he was open and he just dropped it. So they had a special play with special protection set up and the oline still failed. And then Kelce failed. Thats kinda the Super Bowl in a nutshell.

There didn't seem to be anything too special with what the Bucs where doing with their scheme. The coverage was disguised a lot but there were also big holes in their coverage. It just seemed like they built their coverage to stop RPOs and the big play...and they did. The Bucs were really creative with their dline in exploiting the backup Chiefs oline and the Chiefs WRs basically sucked all game, too. Mahomes missed a couple throws but its hard to fault him. I know running the football isn't flashy and doing short passes to RBs isn't flashy but it was there most of the game. I do believe that the Chiefs oline was too compromised to run the normal, unstoppable Chiefs offense and that is what played out over and over again. The fact that there were big plays that the Chiefs receivers dropped just shows how awesome Mahomes is.

I think had the Chiefs oline been operating right the Chiefs probably would've scored 24-30 points. Kept the Bucs off the field a bit. It gets lost a little bit in this but Brady and the Bucs were really trying to go for the killshot on offense in the second half the Chiefs D mostly held. Its just that the offense never got anything going at all.

 

[Clayton]

Brett Kollman's take on the Super Bowl: "Bucs ran 2 high safety split coverage 89% of the time and the Chiefs never adjusted. How does that happen? The Chiefs themselves run similar coverages. Check the ball down with short passes"

 

[Black Adam]

well...

I understand that Chris Jones is being moved over to DE for thew upcoming season...