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The "benefit" of a tough rival? uhh we have to actually play them. That's not a "benefit" when they are good which they usually are. It means our OOC schedule is tougher. If we had a weaker rival like say, Pitt, we'd have faced far fewer ranked OOC opponents.

Traveling does not matter and is not an advantage net-net on a home and home contract. Any advantage we gain by not traveling far to play in Tally, fsu gets an equal advantage right back the next year by not traveling far to play in Gainesville.

I disagree that travel is not a factor.
 

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I disagree that travel is not a factor.
Well if it doesn't matter they why not travel???? Stats have shown playing at home is easier on the team, the kids, and gives the home team almost a 3 point start …

But if travel doesn't matter then why not reward your fans by letting them see "Touchdown Jesus" or "The Shoe", The Big House, or Colorado which their stadium is nestled against the Rockies as a backdrop...

you do not because Travel does matter ...
 

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You think just because you have sex with men only standing up you are not gay? See how stating something like that is leading and implies that you made that statement? Reading comprehension is fundamental.

Ha! You accuse me of asking leading questions when it is you who made leading statements. This is what shrinks call "projection". It would be like you making a leading statement about me being gay in order to give the reader the impression that I was the gay one and not you. Reading comprehension is indeed fundamental.
 

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I disagree that travel is not a factor.

OK. But if it is a factor.......if the team that traveled far is worn out far more than the team that did not travel far....then the situation exactly reverses itself when discussing home and home contracts.

The home team that had the big advantage of playing a worn out opponent who had to travel far must themselves travel that same distance the next year thus being at a big disadvantage themselves. The team that did not have to travel far to play somebody and was thus not worn out then faces that same opponent who will also not be worn out when traveling to their home stadium the very next year.

If we were comparing a couple of one-off games for two different programs against different opponents, OK. I could maybe see the argument about distance being an important factor. If we're talking about home and home contracts though, it doesn't make sense because any advantage gained in one year is lost the next year.
 

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OK. But if it is a factor.......if the team that traveled far is worn out far more than the team that did not travel far....then the situation exactly reverses itself when discussing home and home contracts.

The home team that had the big advantage of playing a worn out opponent who had to travel far must themselves travel that same distance the next year thus being at a big disadvantage themselves. The team that did not have to travel far to play somebody and was thus not worn out then faces that same opponent who will also not be worn out when traveling to their home stadium the very next year.

If we were comparing a couple of one-off games for two different programs against different opponents, OK. I could maybe see the argument about distance being an important factor. If we're talking about home and home contracts though, it doesn't make sense because any advantage gained in one year is lost the next year.
Sounds like an excuse for not playing OU, Ohio St, Clemson, Texas, Notre Dame, etc in your Regular schedule and give you a excuse to play 2 FCS teams and padding your win column... so you can tell everyone how great you are
 

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Sounds like an excuse for not playing OU, Ohio St, Clemson, Texas, Notre Dame, etc in your Regular schedule and give you a excuse to play 2 FCS teams and padding your win column... so you can tell everyone how great you are

Why would we need an excuse for an OOC schedule that's been so much better than yours? Y'all are the ones who need excuses given the FACT that you've only played 1/3rd as many final ranked OOC opponents as UF has over the last 20 years.
 

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Why would we need an excuse for an OOC schedule that's been so much better than yours? Y'all are the ones who need excuses given the FACT that you've only played 1/3rd as many final ranked OOC opponents as UF has over the last 20 years.
We have played 99% fewer FCS teams... lol
 

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We have played 99% fewer FCS teams... lol

So your argument is "your creampuffs are creampuffier than our creampuffs".

Of course creampuffs don't matter to anybody with a pulse - only good teams do. Y'all have played only 1/3rd as many of those OOC as we have in the last 20 years.
 

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Thanks to @ralphiewvu and @Neilcar, I have learned that if Florida flew to play a perennial P5 bottom feeder every other year, and hosted them every other year, it would be more difficult than playing on Ron Zook field against a top 10 FSU every year.


Very educational thread. Thank you gentlemen.
 

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Thanks to @ralphiewvu and @Neilcar, I have learned that if Florida flew to play a perennial P5 bottom feeder every other year, and hosted them every other year, it would be more difficult than playing on Ron Zook field against a top 10 FSU every year.


Very educational thread. Thank you gentlemen.
Actually they dudn’t Fly —they took the bus.
No sure gators have even been on a plane!!!
 

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Actually they dudn’t Fly —they took the bus.
No sure gators have even been on a plane!!!
shoot, a bus across the country would be even worse. Do they have to drive it too?
 

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shoot, a bus across the country would be even worse. Do they have to drive it too?
Across county ?? the Gators ???

We are talking about the school in Gainesville... right??? … the university of Florida … not some other Florida School. Gators do not travel out of State in their OOC regular season schedule… sometimes they take a bus trip about 80 to 100 miles or so down the road...

you must be thinking of Florida State or Miami, or perhaps UCF … you are getting your Florida schools confused!!!
 

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Across county ?? the Gators ???

We are talking about the school in Gainesville... right??? … the university of Florida … not some other Florida School. Gators do not travel out of State in their OOC regular season schedule… sometimes they take a bus trip about 80 to 100 miles or so down the road...

you must be thinking of Florida State or Miami, or perhaps UCF … you are getting your Florida schools confused!!!
You're horrible at reading comprehension. Read post #89 again.
 

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How so? We are discussing whether its an advantage to play HOME AND HOME vs a nearby opponent rather than one that is far away.

Sigh, you are trying to literally say playing home cancels everything out. It doesn’t when the argument is playing away 6 hour plane flight to playing away 2 hour car ride.
 

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*sigh*

OK. Let's go over this again. You obviously don't understand.

Let's say UF plays fsu and Texas plays UCLA.

Year 1. Huge advantage for UF. They only have to travel 2 hours to play in Tally while Texas has to board a plane and travel a few more hours to fly out to LA. Different time zone too. They are therefore more tired so they're at a big disadvantage relative to UF when playing at that away stadium.

Year 2. Huge advantage for Texas. UCLA has to board a plane and travel a few more hours to fly all the way out to Austin. Different time zone too. They are therefore more tired so they are at a big disadvantage relative to fsu when playing at that away stadium.

Get it yet? Home and home. Whatever advantage one team gets one year their opponent gets the second year. Thus it does not matter. It balances out over a 2 year cycle. That's even if we were to buy the notion that air miles matter which I think is way overblown.

Do you think the advantage only goes to the team which plays a nearby opponent home and home? Have you forgotten that their opponent gets that very same advantage the next year since they too are nearby?

Are you joking? This is exactly what I’m talking about. You aren’t comparing the same thing. You are totally missing UF gets a home game in this. We are not comparing UCLA and Texas or UF and FSU. We are comparing UF and Texas. Both home games cancel out. So you are left with a 2 hour bus ride to Tallahassee or a 4 hour plane ride to LA. Which seems Better to a team traveling?

Absolutely the opponent gets that advantage too. But we aren’t comparing opponents, we are comparing 2 different teams playing different home and homes.
 

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You are arguing that a difference of an hour or two in travel time is a big deal (which I don't agree with). Yet you completely refuse to grasp that their opponent then gets that very same advantage the next year.....since they too are nearby. That's why I keep emphasizing home and home. It balances out. How is it you cannot see that fsu gets an advantage over a normal traveling team because they are only 2 hours from Gainesville?

WE ARENT ARGUING ABOUT FSU. We are arguing about Texas and UF. You bringing up FSU in this doesn’t matter.
 

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Thanks to @ralphiewvu and @Neilcar, I have learned that if Florida flew to play a perennial P5 bottom feeder every other year, and hosted them every other year, it would be more difficult than playing on Ron Zook field against a top 10 FSU every year.


Very educational thread. Thank you gentlemen.

Are you another retard gator claiming your OOC schedule is great year in and year out or do you actually have common sense?
 

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Sigh, you are trying to literally say playing home cancels everything out. It doesn’t when the argument is playing away 6 hour plane flight to playing away 2 hour car ride.

No, what I'm saying is that if a team gains an advantage by being located near their opponent and thus not having to travel as far.....thus presumably being fresher....then their opponent gains that exact same advantage the following year because they too don't have to travel far. In this case, they too get that 2 hour car ride instead of having to do a 6 hour plane flight (and its not 6 hours....you can get to Europe from the east coast in 6 hours - crossing the entire country only takes 4 hours max).
 

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Kentucky did our part.:kissass:
 

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Are you joking? This is exactly what I’m talking about. You aren’t comparing the same thing. You are totally missing UF gets a home game in this. We are not comparing UCLA and Texas or UF and FSU. We are comparing UF and Texas. Both home games cancel out. So you are left with a 2 hour bus ride to Tallahassee or a 4 hour plane ride to LA. Which seems Better to a team traveling?

Absolutely the opponent gets that advantage too. But we aren’t comparing opponents, we are comparing 2 different teams playing different home and homes.

What do you mean we aren't comparing opponents? Of course we are.

One year both UF and Texas travel. UF gets a big advantage over Texas because fsu is a lot closer to UF than UCLA is to Texas.

The next year UF and Texas are at home. Texas gets a big advantage over UF because UF is a lot closer to fsu than Texas is to UCLA
 
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