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Judge Fudge

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Lets also state that Chubb should have been a first round pick for the Hawks but they got cute and picked Penny.
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You're confusing value with talent...
im not, im facing the facts that RBs are a low value position that have a very short shelf life. round 1 and round 2 should be spent on positions with more longevity and importance.
 

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I get that but the top talent is still in the 1st few rounds regardless of value... That goes for every position... It's rare to find a gem in 4-7 that will play at a pro bowl level for 3-5 years...

Let's look at 2021 top 5 RB's for SAG's...

Taylor: Round 2; Pick 40
Chubb: Top of Round 2: Pick 35
Mixon: Round 2: Pick 46
Harris: Round 1: Pick 24
Cook: Round 2: Pick 41

Seems like the top 5 RB's are 1st and 2nd rounders in 2021... The talent is still at the top of the draft tree... Not 4-7... That goes for every position... You're confusing value with talent...

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In the last 5 years, the difference between the average RB taken in rounds 1-3 vs. the average RB taken between 4-7 is staggering.

Season averages - RB drafted by Round since 2017:
G
Cmp
Att
Yds
TD
Int
Att
Yds
TD
Rec
Yds
TD
1​
11.72​
0.03​
0.14​
1.72​
0.03​
0.00​
163.62​
712.07​
5.24​
37.66​
290.69​
1.31​
2​
11.18​
0.00​
0.03​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
146.80​
694.55​
5.23​
24.70​
199.60​
0.88​
3​
11.98​
0.02​
0.04​
0.27​
0.00​
0.02​
124.46​
541.35​
4.56​
26.94​
218.44​
1.35​
4​
9.84​
0.03​
0.04​
0.28​
0.03​
0.00​
58.90​
240.70​
1.54​
16.43​
117.94​
0.49​
5​
8.11​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
41.81​
199.67​
1.64​
10.03​
76.97​
0.47​
6​
8.25​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
24.02​
98.92​
0.63​
6.31​
52.76​
0.27​
7​
4.58​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
0.00​
23.12​
101.17​
0.59​
4.64​
33.97​
0.21​

The last time a RB drafted in each round over the last 20 years was named as an All Pro and PB bowl from each round was (Year Drafted):
All Pro​
Pro Bowl​
1​
Christian McCaffery (2017)​
Najee Harris (2021)​
2​
Jonathan Taylor (2020)​
Jonathan Taylor (2020)​
3​
David Johnson (2015)​
Alvin Kamara (2017)​
4​
Le'Ron McClain (2007)​
Devonta Freeman (2014)​
5​
Michael Turner (2004)​
Aaron Jones (2017)​
6​
Latavius Murray (2013)​
7​
Justin Forsett (2008)​

Now, in defense of Snugs, he doesn't think you need a RB to have a successful offense in the NFL, and as such you don't need AP or PB level performances from them. Granted, he still demands they put up those numbers, just doesn't think they're that important.
 

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Last 5 Super Bowl winners by RB:

2021 - Darrell Henderson: RD 3 Pick 70 (688 yards 5 TD)
2020 - Ronald Jones: RD 2 Pick 38 (978 yards 7 TD) *Tom Brady
2019 - Sony Michel: RD 1 Pick 31 (912 yards 7 TD) *Tom Brady
2018 - Wendell Smallwood: RD 5 Pick 153 (364 yards 3 TD) *Wentz's MVP caliber season
2017 - Dion Lewis: RD 5 Pick 149 (896 yards 6 TD) *Tom Brady

Mixed results here, but the outstanding trait is you need great QB play to win the SB. Talent at RB however is needed, and most of that is found at the earlier rounds. What are Wendell Smallwood and Dion Lewis doing to carry their teams these days? Do we have great QB play coming this year? No. So, get that talent at RB on the cheap and fill the QB hole when you can get the needed talent, which definitely was not this draft.
 

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Last 5 Super Bowl winners by RB:

2021 - Darrell Henderson: RD 3 Pick 70 (688 yards 5 TD)
2020 - Ronald Jones: RD 2 Pick 38 (978 yards 7 TD) *Tom Brady
2019 - Sony Michel: RD 1 Pick 31 (912 yards 7 TD) *Tom Brady
2018 - Wendell Smallwood: RD 5 Pick 153 (364 yards 3 TD) *Wentz's MVP caliber season
2017 - Dion Lewis: RD 5 Pick 149 (896 yards 6 TD) *Tom Brady

Mixed results here, but the outstanding trait is you need great QB play to win the SB. Talent at RB however is needed, and most of that is found at the earlier rounds. What are Wendell Smallwood and Dion Lewis doing to carry their teams these days? Do we have great QB play coming this year? No. So, get that talent at RB on the cheap and fill the QB hole when you can get the needed talent, which definitely was not this draft.

Not only what is Smallwood doing, but Philadelphia felt RB was such a hole after winning the Super Bowl that they used their 2nd round pick in the next draft to take a RB.
 

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Now, in defense of Snugs, he doesn't think you need a RB to have a successful offense in the NFL, and as such you don't need AP or PB level performances from them. Granted, he still demands they put up those numbers, just doesn't think they're that important.
now look at their productivity post PB and AP. there is a steep drop off with few exceptions. I just dont think a top pick is worth taking players at a flash in the pan position that are almost never worth resigning.
 

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Just watching some Drew Lock tape and
this guy has some potential, seems like a confidence thing on why he’s had some failures, but if he’s coached up, builds some confidence, we could have something here .. He can run, has a canon of an arm, just needs confidence and experience …Hoping Pete and company can coach him up, help him with consistency…
 

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One positive thing about an early pick on a RB is you'll likely get their best years in the first contract when they are not making a ton of $, which is not the case with QBs or WRs. RBs who are good in the NFL are usually good right away and do not need 2-3 years of seasoning or development. I am not sure it makes a ton of sense to use a 1st round pick on a RB who you don't plan to make the primary ballcarrier, but I think it can be a good move if you need that workhorse and already have a proven QB.
 

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Just watching some Drew Lock tape and
this guy has some potential, seems like a confidence thing on why he’s had some failures, but if he’s coached up, builds some confidence, we could have something here .. He can run, has a canon of an arm, just needs confidence and experience …Hoping Pete and company can coach him up, help him with consistency…
Having different HCs and OCs with different systems during each of his 2 years in Denver didn't help his development, and neither did the lack of camps due to covid.
Of course he now has his 3rd new HC, OC, and system in 3 years. So who knows what is going to happen.

The team seems to be approaching him with cautious optimism. I am concerned the PC's unwillingness to deviate from his core philosophies to accommodate his personal's strengths and limitations could be an issue but that has been the case for over a decade now. So it is what it is.
 

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now look at their productivity post PB and AP. there is a steep drop off with few exceptions. I just dont think a top pick is worth taking players at a flash in the pan position that are almost never worth resigning.
I'm ok with what you're saying... It's the part that you expect a RB to pan out in the later rounds... It's not as likely to happen as it would with a RB drafted in the first few rounds is all i'm saying because that's where the better talent is... I'm not advocating that we draft one high but I'm not going to hold it against the team for doing so because it was a huge need at the time and the likeliness of them panning out w/ the higher pick is more likely to happen than a pick in the later rounds... You can't just keep picking guys like T. Homer, Dee Jay, Alex Collins, T. Rawls, T. Pope, McKissic, Old version of M. Hyde and A. Peterson, M. Lynch, E. Lacey, etc to fill the void each year...
 

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I'm ok with what you're saying... It's the part that you expect a RB to pan out in the later rounds... It's not as likely to happen as it would with a RB drafted in the first few rounds is all i'm saying because that's where the better talent is... I'm not advocating that we draft one high but I'm not going to hold it against the team for doing so because it was a huge need at the time and the likeliness of them panning out w/ the higher pick is more likely to happen than a pick in the later rounds... You can't just keep picking guys like T. Homer, Dee Jay, Alex Collins, T. Rawls, T. Pope, McKissic, Old version of M. Hyde and A. Peterson, M. Lynch, E. Lacey, etc to fill the void each year...
fair enough
 

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For those of you questioning the Kenneth Walker selection, would this help change your mind?

I asked a member of the coaching staff - someone who would know - what is going on with Carson and he told me the team hasn't heard anything about his neck surgery. They have no idea where he's at health wise right now. Sadly, I'd be surprised if Carson ever plays football again.

I also asked how the snaps would be distributed between Walker and Penny and he told me that Penny will be the starter and we'll see from there. Seems the staff is really high on Penny and they don't think that his stretch at the end of the season is a fluke. Just a matter of him staying healthy.

Nothing you can't find out on Twitter, but obviously I'm not a journalist so he was speaking very candidly with me.
 
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