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Realistic Trade Package for #2 pick

Discussion in 'Washington Redskins' started by duke1861, Feb 12, 2020.

  1. duke1861

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    There are tons of rumors out there. I wanted to get the thoughts of the board of:1

    1. How likely are we to trade the pick? Is there any truth to the rumors?
    2. What is a realistic trade package? I have read that the Dolphins would like to trade up. If so, what would a realistic package look like?
     



  2. chillerdab

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    Obviously depends on the evals of Chase Young and Burrow, as of now.

    If both are generational talents, then the trade value chart needs to be amended to reflect that.

    I’m not sure the redskins should trade out of the pick at all, if those two are as good as advertised.

    2020 NFL Trade Value Chart

    According to this chart, #2 pick is worth

    2600, so Miami’s #5 and #18 match up perfectly. I dont really think that’s enough for a generational talent, however.

    I think I’d start with whatever the latest trade up scenarios were recently, and add a pick or two to that.
     
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    1. How likely are we to trade the pick? Is there any truth to the rumors?

    I believe that without a historically mind boggling trade offer (see #2 below) there's virtually zero chance that this team trades out of the #2 selection. BTW: there's always some truth to these rumors and listening to them costs our guys nothing. In fact, I don't believe that there's ever been a modern draft, in which some team hasn't made an attempt to move up.



    2. What is a realistic trade package? I have read that the Dolphins would like to trade up. If so, what would a realistic package look like?

    Let's be honest about any possible trading partner in this draft. If the focus is on using most of whatever haul there is to gain in this draft, it's Miami or no team, period! All other teams with multiple selection are situated out of the top 10 and realistically, Washington moving into the middle of this draft, isn't … well... realistic.

    So, to me here's what Miami would have to offer in order to pique any interest. Selections 5, 18, and 21 in the first round. Selections 39 and 56 in round two with future 1st rounders in 2021, 2022, and 2023. The dolphins (some say purposely) made the effort to position themselves with multiple early selections, it seems unlikely that they would go through all of that just to trade them all for one guy.

    QB's aren't priority needs for Detroit or the NY Giants (Burrow will go to Cincy, Washington has Haskins) so there's a great chance that barring a move down by either of them, Miami will get it's choice at QB, and keep all of their selections. Notice anything? (we're NOT involved in any of that)
     
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    Actually, it really depends on the eval of Tua. Cincy is taking Burrows. The question will be is how bad does another team want Tua and how much will it take for us to pass on Young? The only viable partner that i see would be Miami. They are the only team that has multiple 1sts in the next draft that could make a deal that might entice us. It would be real tough to pass up a deal that gives us all 3 1st picks of Miami for our #2 pick, IMHO.
     
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    No interest in trading down
     
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    Chargers , 2 first , 2 2nds. And derwin James
     
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    Good point.

    I dont think the skins should trade down for just Miami’s 3 #1’s though. To me, that’s not enough, if Young. is a generational talent.
     
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    1. Unlikely, i currently have not heard any other defensive prospect considered generational. Also, i believe the defense will have to be able to win games for the Skins this year.

    2. Something like skinsdads reply, 1s ,2s and a above average player.
    A bunch of draft picks doesn't do it for me anymore. Does okudah, lamb and a OT
    Make the same impact as young?
    Will it possible to re sign all those 1s either?
     
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    The biggest question is do the Bengals sign one of the top QB's in free agency and draft Chase Young
     
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    This makes little sense but let's play along for a moment.

    Classic case of talking themselves out of their desired pick. Detroit decides to move on from Stafford (highly unlikely) but let's say that they do declare this, what's stopping them from selecting Young at #2 and going after a free agent QB, drafting one later, or re-signing Stafford after the fact? Methinks someone is over thinking the draft possibilities through rose colored glasses.
     
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    Yep!
     
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    That's what Ditka thought about Ricky Williams. He traded his entire draft for him. Didn't work out so good. The problem with placing all your bets on one horse is it only takes one misstep and you have a lame horse worth nothing. Young may be great. But we all know that this is the NFL and the NFL graveyard is littered with players that were deemed to be great but never materialized. However, if we can spread our risk over 3 1st round drafts picks, we have a very good chance of landing one, if not more, players that can provide an immediate impact on this team. Think Dallas when they traded Herschel Walker. They re-invented their team in one year with the bounty they received from that trade. We could do the same.
     
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    I have to admit, this ^^^^^^ is the best debate point against , rather in favor of trading down. Career altering /ending injury is a real thing. There's inherent risk because of the game that's played. Taking, or failing to take such risks because there's fear that all plans involving the one potentially great player fails or succeeds based upon his good fortune or bad luck to avoid the one damaging misstep. Please note that I'm NOT saying you're wrong, your point is well taken but it does present a very compelling counter to those who say keep the pick. That said, here are my counter questions:

    1. Why would any team keep their top tier selection based upon that well presented debate point?

    2. Why would any other team risk it all and trade up based uopn the same point?

    3. Are we now convinced that those who are now in charge will operate based upon lowering risk by increasing numbers, or is he the type of person who, as his name suggests, "Riverboat" Ron?
     
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    Because not every team is in a position to reap the haul it we could "potentially" get. Many that have been, did. Understand, I said potentially. Every team, and every one has their price. If I could get Miami's 3 1sts, that is my price. We just move back 4 spaces and pick up two more firsts? I'll do it all day long for any one in this draft.

    Because there are always idiots out there. Even in the NFL.


    I have no idea what Ron will do. But given that he has to be thinking rebuild, 3 A players in lieu of one A+ player has to be considered.
     
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    I cant really argue this point, except to say that there is precedent to suggest that a player who is being thought of as better than Bosa, who joined an already talented niners team, and took it over the top, might do the same for the redskins.

    It’s also worth thinking about who might be available at 5, 18, and 20something.
     
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    Yup. Its a good situation to be in. Just do the due diligence and let the chips fall where they may.
     
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    What I find funny is every year now there seems to be at least one generational talent. I don’t think people understand the word generational.
     
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