Question for the stats guys.

[SteelersPride]

what quarterbacks have gotten significantly MORE accurate in the pros than they were in college.

Favre and stafford are really the only two I can find.

Generally if your inaccurate, you stay inaccurate.

 

[rmilia1]

What's your definition of significantly?

 

[rmilia1]

Anyway the answer ( at least currently ) is pretty much all QBs who are average or better improve % wise on the pros. Generally from 2-6%. Brees for example is on the higher end of average at 6.1% increase , Ryan is around 5.3, Wilson in the 4s, Brady is on the lower end at 2.1.

Conversely guys who fail will show a stagnation or decrease .

So without knowing what you classify as significant it's tough to answer but odds are if you see an increase the guy is probably a keeper

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Matt Flynn.

 

[SteelersPride]

What's your definition of significantly?

like coming up enough to be an average passer in the nFL accuracy wise

 

[rmilia1]

like coming up enough to be an average passer in the nFL accuracy wise

Just like anything the good guys tend to get better in the NFL. The bad ones don't . There are exceptions of course where guys were just really accurate in college and are still accurate in the NFL but not quite so ( your guy is one of the exceptions )

Mostly though if a guy is a Pro Bowl level QB he's more accurate in the NFL

 

[SteelersPride]

Just like anything the good guys tend to get better in the NFL. The bad ones don't . There are exceptions of course where guys were just really accurate in college and are still accurate in the NFL but not quite so ( your guy is one of the exceptions )

Mostly though if a guy is a Pro Bowl level QB he's more accurate in the NFL

again, im stating inaccurate guys , do not get more accurate in the pros, sans favre and stafford. No one can provided poitns otherwise. I wish I had the analytics article i read on it

 

[rmilia1]

again, im stating inaccurate guys , do not get more accurate in the pros, sans favre and stafford. No one can provided poitns otherwise. I wish I had the analytics article i read on it

Yeah it's tough to answer without knowing the parameters of what they consider "inaccurate" in college . Brees either 59% in college Stafford was 57% so I'd guess they went under 58%

 

[SteelersPride]

Yeah it's tough to answer without knowing the parameters of what they consider "inaccurate" in college . Brees either 59% in college Stafford was 57% so I'd guess they went under 58%

brees was 61.1 , stafford was 57.1 thats hwy i included him as an outlier, but yeah i dont know what metrics they used

 

[rmilia1]

brees was 61.1 , stafford was 57.1 thats hwy i included him as an outlier, but yeah i dont know what metrics they used

My bad . It was Ryan who was 59 something

 

[SteelersPride]

My bad . It was Ryan who was 59 something

ryan was 59.9, i wouldnt say thats inaccurate

 

[rmilia1]

ryan was 59.9, i wouldnt say thats inaccurate

Yeah I don't know what they deem inaccurate in college . I'll do some research on older guys .

 

[rmilia1]

Montana went from 52% in college to 63.2 NFL . That's a big difference .

 

[SteelersPride]

Yeah I don't know what they deem inaccurate in college . I'll do some research on older guys .

just know this


boller-47.8% nOT typo

 

[SteelersPride]

Montana went from 52% in college to 63.2 NFL . That's a big difference .

that it is.

i think the basis im getting at, and that the article i fant fricken find had was there are guys that it happens with, but on the whole most dont improve

 

[rmilia1]

that it is.

i think the basis im getting at, and that the article i fant fricken find had was there are guys that it happens with, but on the whole most dont improve

You gotta be pretty questionable to have substandard % now in college ( really anytime over the last 20 years )

Looks like a lot of the older guys had shaky college stats though . Which makes sense since style of play is different now .

 

[wazzu31]

QB’s don’t matter. Did I do that right?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Pretty rare- and completion percentage is probably not the greatest stat to measure this.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

just know this


boller-47.8% nOT typo

but he can throw it 70 yards on one knee!

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Funny thing is.
All these scouts (or someone on the team) always go with Strong arm, certain size, the last couple decades how fast they are (Lamar Jackson kinda QB) but all the greats usually had none of that. They were intelligent.
Montana & Brady should be the two greatest. neither had speed or strong arms. (Montana was mobile though)
I have no clue how many prototypical physical QBs have sucked big time. But seems to me those top 5 QB draft picks (which I think would be a lot) not gonna research it. Have a great bust %.
Peyton if I remember right (I am getting older) wasnt a powerhouse with his arm, but was cerebral.
Amazingly when dealing with QBs how often teams go towards the physical vs. game tape. maybe it is ego of the teams (whoever is evaluating) that say give them the physical abilities & they can turn dogshit into a diamond. I dunno.
Very rarely though do you say this is a once in a generation QB coming out of college & mean it. Manning & Luck most recent, but most #1 & #2 disappoint. & yes. Even if a #1 or #2 ends up being just very good. It would be a disappointment.

Montana 3rd Round
Brady 6th round
Marino 6th QB taken at end of 1st round
Rodgers Late 1st round
& so on....

I'd take the smart guy over the gifted guy everytime (unless the gifted guy was the smart guy) when talking QB.

Marino might be a bad example or an anomaly. I still have no clue why some of these other QBs were drafted ahead of him.

Way back then they werent as technical about the draft as they are now. This is my only guess.
If Marino & his physical abilites on top of being a bad ass lasted that long a lot of scouts might have been fired LOL.