QB- Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady

[Raid]

And Montana #2.

 

[Bradyjustwins]

Another point about context. An example like the 2003 divisional round. Manning had a home game in a dome vs a bottomfeeder defense. Brady had a home game outside vs a good D.

Controlled climate vs the 2nd or 3rd coldest game in history. Is it realistic to suggest Manning had a vastly superior game? He damn sure did stats wise but context matters.

Brady would have lit up the bottom feeder D in a dome. Would Manning had even won his game if it was played in Foxboro that night against the Titans? Maybe but probably not based on his history.

Examples like that are why just stating Manning has better stats in the postseason doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[NEhomer]

Another point about context. An example like the 2003 divisional round. Manning had a home game in a dome vs a bottomfeeder defense. Brady had a home game outside vs a good D.

Controlled climate vs the 2nd or 3rd coldest game in history. Is it realistic to suggest Manning had a vastly superior game? He damn sure did stats wise but context matters.

Brady would have lit up the bottom feeder D in a dome. Would Manning had even won his game if it was played in Foxboro that night against the Titans? Maybe but probably not based on his history.

Examples like that are why just stating Manning has better stats in the postseason doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[hockey878]

Another point about context. An example like the 2003 divisional round. Manning had a home game in a dome vs a bottomfeeder defense. Brady had a home game outside vs a good D.

Controlled climate vs the 2nd or 3rd coldest game in history. Is it realistic to suggest Manning had a vastly superior game? He damn sure did stats wise but context matters.

Brady would have lit up the bottom feeder D in a dome. Would Manning had even won his game if it was played in Foxboro that night against the Titans? Maybe but probably not based on his history.

Examples like that are why just stating Manning has better stats in the postseason doesn't tell the whole story.

And things like poor coaching, kickers missing GW or GT field goals, and absurdly bad/good luck (tuck rule, pick vs chargers that they then fumbled vs Gijon not knowing snap count, onside kick, garcon wide open drop, refs ignoring 5 yd contact rule) are why win-loss record doesn't tell the whole story

 

[MRVegas]

And things like poor coaching, kickers missing GW or GT field goals, and absurdly bad/good luck (tuck rule, pick vs chargers that they then fumbled vs Gijon not knowing snap count, onside kick, garcon wide open drop, refs ignoring 5 yd contact rule) are why win-loss record doesn't tell the whole story

Agree totally, it's why you have to watch the games. If everyone had then there would be nobody saying Manning has outperformed Brady in playoffs. Brady has battled in much tougher elements and overall been more clutch. Let's be honest, both guys have had breaks go for them and against them. The one break that effected both of them was in 2006 AFCCG when Reche Caldwell couldn't catch 2 balls when wide open and then the phantom PI call in end zone that gave Colts 1st and goal on the 1. League sent letter of apology to Pats for that call - these breaks went Mannings way and he got his 1 ring because of it.

 

[Bradyjustwins]

And things like poor coaching, kickers missing GW or GT field goals, and absurdly bad/good luck (tuck rule, pick vs chargers that they then fumbled vs Gijon not knowing snap count, onside kick, garcon wide open drop, refs ignoring 5 yd contact rule) are why win-loss record doesn't tell the whole story

Absolutely. Which is why I don't say Brady is better just based on record.

It all matters but some wanted to use the Scott "still life" Kacsmer look at overall stats and not the context they were gained argument and I reject that crap for all the reasons I said.

 

[Bradyjustwins]

Agree totally, it's why you have to watch the games. If everyone had then there would be nobody saying Manning has outperformed Brady in playoffs. Brady has battled in much tougher elements and overall been more clutch. Let's be honest, both guys have had breaks go for them and against them. The one break that effected both of them was in 2006 AFCCG when Reche Caldwell couldn't catch 2 balls when wide open and then the phantom PI call in end zone that gave Colts 1st and goal on the 1. League sent letter of apology to Pats for that call - these breaks went Mannings way and he got his 1 ring because of it.

I personally wouldn't boil that 2006 game down to those two plays....but Manning backers like to bring up drops and fumbles when it's his team but pretend that stuff never happens to Brady. That game is a prime example. Pats deserved to lose because you can't make it about a couple missed plays but those missed plays do likely change the outcome.

Caldwell in 2006. Tyre in 2007 and the Welker play in 2011 (which was half on Brady). 3 plays change and it's 2-3 SBs and not two losses.

But it's only ok for Manning backers to use excuses like that.

 

[JasonCarrier]

And Montana #2.

Manning comes no where close to even sniffing Montana in the "greatest QB" discussion.

He's Marino with a ring. Which is not bad, but definitely not Montana country.

 

[Dude]

Manning definitely belongs in the GOAT category. He delivers, Brady not so much, be honest.

 

[Bradyjustwins]

Manning definitely belongs in the GOAT category. He delivers, Brady not so much, be honest.

He delivers? When? His one title year he had 3 Td's and 7 ints (3 for pick-6) in the postseason.

He probably is the regular season GOAT...but overall. Montana has it ALL over him. Neither Manning or Brady should be in the discussion any more.

 

[Dude]

He delivers? When? His one title year he had 3 Td's and 7 ints (3 for pick-6) in the postseason.

He probably is the regular season GOAT...but overall. Montana has it ALL over him. Neither Manning or Brady should be in the discussion any more.

If you think Peyton Manning does not deliver you have not been watching much football lately. Brady has taken a great dip VS his greatest competitor of the age.

 

[JasonCarrier]

If you think Peyton Manning does not deliver you have not been watching much football lately. Brady has taken a great dip VS his greatest competitor of the age.

Sub 500 record in the playoffs says he does not deliver
8 one and dones does too

Pick 6 to lose a SB does too

The epic fail in the SB does too

 

[Bradyjustwins]

If you think Peyton Manning does not deliver you have not been watching much football lately. Brady has taken a great dip VS his greatest competitor of the age.

This conversation is a David Tyree catch on the helmet from being a moot point in the other direction.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[Wamu]

Manning comes no where close to even sniffing Montana in the "greatest QB" discussion.

He's Marino with a ring. Which is not bad, but definitely not Montana country.

Marino w/ a ring?

 

[TKOSpikes]

Give me Peyton or Brady? Brady for me.

Peyton always had better WR. Except once, when Brady didn't lose in the regular season and Moss put up a WR record.
Brady has Belicheck. Yeah, so what. Dungy was a pretty darn good defensive mind too. Still, Brady is 11-5 vs Peyton.
Brady can play in the cold. Brady has more rings.

It's not close, IMO. ...and I'm a Bills fan!

 

[NEhomer]

Wow that's a weird picture of Peyton Manning masturbating.

 

[HammerDown]

Wow that's a weird picture of Peyton Manning masturbating.

IKR? And what a little dick he has!

 

[Wamu]

Peyton: 1-2 in SB's w/o the benefit of Spy Gate


Brady: 3-0 during Spy Gate & 0-2 AFTER that




Say what ya want but the fact that Brady was 3-0 while cheating & 0-2 once the Pats got caught really should be mentioned. Of course I'll be labeled as a Hater for simply pointing out the truth though. Or did I just make this stuff up?

 

[Sgthall999]

Peyton: 1-2 in SB's w/o the benefit of Spy Gate


Brady: 3-0 during Spy Gate & 0-2 AFTER that




Say what ya want but the fact that Brady was 3-0 while cheating & 0-2 once the Pats got caught really should be mentioned. Of course I'll be labeled as a Hater for simply pointing out the truth though. Or did I just make this stuff up?

You made the stuff up. What advantage did they get out of misplacing a camera?